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    • nopheadundefined
      nophead
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      Altenratively you can measure the voltage across the sense resistors with a scope but you only see part of the waveform when the current is not being recirculated. See http://hydraraptor.blogspot.com/2009/08/mixed-decay-mixed-blessing.html

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      • Thugmekundefined
        Thugmek
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        I don't think there is some risk for driver if I use 2 small resistors, but circuit will have different behavior if I increase resistance. I tried measure voltage on sense resistor and I saw square pulse with, off-time and square pulse with negative polarity.

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        • nopheadundefined
          nophead @Thugmek
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          @thugmek Even with an isolated scope you can only measure one coil because the probes are normally linked. However you only really need to look at one coil as the the other should be the same with a 90 degree phase shift.

          When looking at the sense resistors there will be periods when it is zero but the on portions should be an accurate reflection of the current.

          The actual current should be a sine wave with a saw tooth ripple. When you look across the sense resistor you see just the rising parts of the saw tooth with gaps in between.

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          • Thugmekundefined
            Thugmek
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            I set current 1600mA and it's quite good. Moiré is still visible, but 1000mA benchy is 4x-5x worse. Only problem is motor temperature. We use PLA parts and 60 degrees on motor is too much. TMC2660 should have some sine wave correction. HEND register should be used for this, but I don't have any idea how can I calculate correct value.

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti
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              are you refering to https://www.trinamic.com/fileadmin/assets/Support/Appnotes/AN026-Adaptive_Microsteptable.pdf ?
              The 2130 has it but not the 2660.

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              • Thugmekundefined
                Thugmek
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                I'm refering to oficial TMC2660 datasheet, pages 20 and 35-36. But I'm afraid that correction is posible ony in Constant Off-Time Mode 😕

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                • nopheadundefined
                  nophead @Thugmek
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                  @thugmek If it gets better with higher current then perhaps it can't do the low current microsteps, in which case a lower supply voltage might help.

                  I only have experience of Allegro constant off time drivers but they definitely don't work properly on 24V because the minimum on time is too long to meet the very small currents needed near the zero crossing.

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                  • Vetiundefined
                    Veti
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                    you might be able to isolate the stepper from the pla by using a vibration damper made from cork. this will also reduce the noise of the printer.

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                    • Thugmekundefined
                      Thugmek
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                      We have 5mm height washers betwen motor and PLA, but metal screews can get hot and bend PLA. Hot motors aren't so good for us. All printer electronics is made for 24 volts, using 12V power suply is not good too, but I have idea: what about smoother made of antiparalel diodes? Should voltage drop od diodes help? 😄

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                      • Vetiundefined
                        Veti
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                        you could also use htpla and anneal it. that way it can withstand temperatures above 100C

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                        • nopheadundefined
                          nophead @Thugmek
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                          @thugmek The simplest solution is print ABS brackets. I run my motors so they have a 20C rise but they are in a 45C chamber, so they get to 65C. ABS is fine with that.

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                          • piperswundefined
                            pipersw @Thugmek
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                            @thugmek said in moiré on my delta 3D printer:

                            We have 5mm height washers betwen motor and PLA, but metal screews can get hot and bend PLA. Hot motors aren't so good for us. All printer electronics is made for 24 volts, using 12V power suply is not good too, but I have idea: what about smoother made of antiparalel diodes? Should voltage drop od diodes help? 😄

                            With Trinamic drivers, you shouldn't use smoother : tl-smoothers-do-they-make-sense

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                            • Phaedruxundefined
                              Phaedrux Moderator
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                              I'm not a delta user, but isn't it recommended to use 0.9 degree motors for this very reason (among others)?

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