I had several not enough movement errors when I first installed the mag sensor. I was able to flash the firmware up to version 3 which did not really help, but it did show that the agc was in a good place, stays around 70. I had to really go through my printer and make sure everything was spot on. Delta, 1 meter Bowden tube, E3d V6 hot end and Duet smart effector. The big break through was reducing the exstruder motor current from 2400 to 2150 and then setup PTFE tubing from the filament spool to the monitor so that there is about 6 inches of tubing that directs the filiment straight into the monitor, no binding at monitor entrance. I have had this setup for some months now and rarely have movement issues and when I do there is always a reason, usually a slightly clogged nozzle. My printer is truely a load and go machine thanks to this monitor and the turning I had to do to make it work properly.
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RE: Spurios "sensor not work" and not enough movement faults
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RE: Problem with Magnetic Sensor
dc42, I do have a minimal distance between the monitor and the extruder entrance. About 3mm. I do not have PTFE in that small area. I do have PTFE restraining the filament from the reel to the entrance of the monitor keeping it straight.
Does the 'A' parameter of the M591 entry need to be set in order for the retractions to be Taken into account? -
RE: Problem with Magnetic Sensor
14 hours later and About 100 meters of filament to go on this 445 meter job. After tweaking sensitivity, ratios, extruder rate, print speed and closely visually monitoring print quality, I found the filament monitor setting that work with this less than satisfying wood PLA filament.
They are not ideal, but unless one is down with running about 75 % print speed, this is what worked. Slowing the print speed increased the min reported back up to upper 60s percentage.
Extrusion at 100%, speed at 100% (80mm/sec max), temp mid range of filament noted temp range (200c in this case) and the following:**8:23:33 AM
M591 D0
Duet3D magnetic filament monitor on input 3, enabled, sensitivity 28.02mm/rev, allow 20% to 130%, check every 12.0mm, version 3, mag 131 agc 70, measured sensitivity 27.91mm/rev, min 28% max 113% over 13183.3mm(From M122report)
=== Filament sensors ===
Extruder 0: pos 350.16, errs: frame 16 parity 0 ovrun 0 pol 2 ovdue 0**
The above was taken after reloading filament this AM.Note the agc has climbed to 70 while the mag has continued to fluctuate from 130 to 132. AGC usually stands for automatic gain control and my assumption of the mag number has to do with magnetic strength, but I'm just guessing. The need for a sensitivity setting I still find remarkable, but again assuming, it is probably due to reading a magnetic rotation instead of having a direct drive.
The monitor did save my job by detecting a very slight blockage in the nozzle, noted by the tell tail curving of the filament as it is extruded. The min reported was 19%. It also properly paused the job when the filament ran out.
My big takeaway from this job is Not All Filaments are Monitored Equally. Wood filament is a strange animal anyway. I have two more runs of this job to go on this printer and I am anxious to move on to some peg jobs to see how that goes.
All in all I am very satisfied with this monitor. It would be great to have the report to include the current measured percentage. This would allow one to note the current trend. A means of distinguishing a monitor pause from a button pause would also be a fine feature.
Like any other new trick, it just takes some training to get the dog to rollover and speak.
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RE: Problem with Magnetic Sensor
Changed length of measurement to 12mm and things improved somewhat. Updated sensitivity also.
Noted a fluctuation in the mag parameter being reported.5:57:31 PM
M591 D0
Duet3D magnetic filament monitor on input 3, disabled, sensitivity 27.21mm/rev, allow 30% to 130%, check every 12.0mm, version 3, mag 131 agc 69, measured sensitivity 27.31mm/rev, min 58% max 110% over 32428.9mm
5:56:25 PM
M591 D0
Duet3D magnetic filament monitor on input 3, disabled, sensitivity 27.21mm/rev, allow 30% to 130%, check every 12.0mm, version 3, mag 132 agc 69, measured sensitivity 27.31mm/rev, min 58% max 110% over 32039.7mm -
RE: Problem with Magnetic Sensor
well, as I reported to Tony, I ran 5 meters of filament on a small job and the monitor worked perfectly. No pauses and well within the 70%/130% parameters over 3mm.
ver 3 monitor firmware reported mag 132 agc 69. generic PLA 195c 0.4 nozzle.Now I'm running a 450 meter job wood PLA filament, 200c 0.6 nozzle. mag still 132 agc still 69. No love. can't get through a layer without a pause and the sensitivity and percentage number are not consistent. I had to disable the monitor in order to continue the job. the filament is laying down perfectly, no gaps, good solid layers. No grinding, no jumping on the extruder motor.
4:05:17 PMM591 D0
Duet3D magnetic filament monitor on input 3, disabled, sensitivity 25.74mm/rev, allow 30% to 130%, check every 3.0mm, version 3, mag 132 agc 69, measured sensitivity 27.15mm/rev, min 2% max 112% over 8897.1mm4:10:58 PMM122
=== Diagnostics ===
RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 2.04 running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
Board ID: 08DGM-917DA-G4MSJ-6JTD8-3S46L-TSPRB
Used output buffers: 3 of 24 (17 max)
=== RTOS ===
Static ram: 25680
Dynamic ram: 92736 of which 20 recycled
Exception stack ram used: 452
Never used ram: 12184
Tasks: NETWORK(ready,628) HEAT(blocked,808) MAIN(running,3808) IDLE(ready,200)
Owned mutexes:
=== Platform ===
Last reset 01:42:00 ago, cause: power up
Last software reset at 2019-11-09 15:38, reason: User, spinning module GCodes, available RAM 12408 bytes (slot 3)
Software reset code 0x0003 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x0441f000 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0xffffffff Task 0x4e49414d
Error status: 0
Free file entries: 9
SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
SD card longest block write time: 0.0ms, max retries 0
MCU temperature: min 40.0, current 43.0, max 43.3
Supply voltage: min 23.7, current 23.9, max 24.2, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
Driver 0: ok, SG min/max 367/1023
Driver 1: ok, SG min/max 286/1023
Driver 2: ok, SG min/max 0/1023
Driver 3: ok, SG min/max not available
Driver 4: standstill, SG min/max not available
Date/time: 2019-11-10 16:10:57
Cache data hit count 4294967295
Slowest loop: 2.83ms; fastest: 0.08ms
I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0, resets 0
=== Move ===
Hiccups: 0, FreeDm: 156, MinFreeDm: 144, MaxWait: 0ms
Bed compensation in use: none, comp offset 0.000
=== DDARing ===
Scheduled moves: 4711, completed moves: 4703, StepErrors: 0, LaErrors: 0, Underruns: 0, 0
=== Heat ===
Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1
Heater 0 is on, I-accum = 0.1
Heater 1 is on, I-accum = 0.4
=== GCodes ===
Segments left: 1
Stack records: 3 allocated, 0 in use
Movement lock held by null
http is idle in state(s) 0
telnet is idle in state(s) 0
file is doing "G1 X-40.873 Y-125.908 E124.08205" in state(s) 0
serial is idle in state(s) 0
aux is idle in state(s) 0
daemon is idle in state(s) 0
queue is idle in state(s) 0
autopause is idle in state(s) 0
Code queue is empty.
=== Network ===
Slowest loop: 242.77ms; fastest: 0.08ms
Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0) Telnet(0)
HTTP sessions: 1 of 8- WiFi -
Network state is running
WiFi module is connected to access point
Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 2
WiFi firmware version 1.23
WiFi MAC address 80:7d:3a:3f:f6:0f
WiFi Vcc 3.39, reset reason Turned on by main processor
WiFi flash size 4194304, free heap 23376
WiFi IP address 192.168.20.25
WiFi signal strength -44dBm, reconnections 0, sleep mode modem
Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
=== Filament sensors ===
Extruder 0: pos 97.38, errs: frame 8 parity 0 ovrun 0 pol 0 ovdue 0
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RE: Problem with Magnetic Sensor
Quick update while waiting for tools...I reconfigured the filament path so that it is pulled straight into the filament monitor from about 20 mm away. It had followed a path where is was pulled at a slight angle as it entered into the monitor. After the modification was able to run several meters of filament with a min 97% max 110%. I have only run this one print with these results. More testing to come, but this might be something for others to investigate.
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Paused by Filament Monitor or button
Is there a method to determine if the monitor caused the pause or the pause button was pressed? The firm ware knows when an external trigger causes the pause, it puts up a message. How can one determine how the pause was executed?
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RE: Problem with Magnetic Sensor
I’m in the US and bought the unit from Filastruder.
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RE: Problem with Magnetic Sensor
I also am experiencing these exact Issues, now with the second magnetic monitor I have tried. The first had the idler parts missing and was replaced. Other than more resistance while inserting filament, I have not seen any change in the results between the two monitors.
I created a mount that places the monitor 3 mm prior to the extruder and keeps it firmly in place. Through taglia doesn't mention it, based on how he has mounted the monitor, one could assume that the printer uses a Bowden tube, as does mine. I have a Duet 2 Wifi 2.03 and other than that the M122 report looks very much the same as taglia's..
In the documentation an 'A' parameter is mentioned and I haven't tried including that, but I will and report back. What is the default for that parameter?
I have noticed that prints with little to no retractions being made, reports much more consistent than a print with several.
Lastly, I am curious as to why the need for a mm per revolution setting. The hobbled wheel has a set circumference and as long as filament is not slipping, the mm per revolution should always be the same and thus the mm per degree of rotation. I ask because the L parameter is rather elusive. I get a sensitivity reported over 10 of meters of filament, change the L parameter to that number and the reported sensitivity changes greatly, most of the time much higher and a couple of times even negative. It is just not consistent. -
missing spring and idler
My magnetic monitor is working pretty much as expected, with the exception of an occasional dip way down on the minimum percentage, like -10% one time. I hit resume 99% of the time in it will run for hours before the next one.
I did have a bulge in the crap filament I am using where they spliced the roll and it got lodged inside the monitor. So I took it apart to see why I couldn't manually move the filament through it and found the bulge.
I also found that there is no idler bearing or spring in the unit. There is a place for them, and the monitor seems to work OK without them, but the documentation says they are suppose to be there. This unit was received fully assembled and I had no reason to take it apart until the bulge.
Could this be contributing to the occasion drop in movement reported?
Any explanations on why it is not assembled as the documentation says?