Duet 3 Heated Bed Faulting

blt3dp

Hi, I'm super confused on this. Would like to upgrade it to 3.0RC1 but states compatible Duet Software Framework is 1.2. The most current I can upgrade to via apt is 1.1.0.5 (which the firmware readme says is the min you can work with). 1.2 was released 7 days ago, shouldn't it be up on the package server?

Also about 3.0RC1, it doesn't look like the file is there on github for the SBC, is it supposed to be there or is it supposed to be upgraded via apt also?

A Former User

are you tracking the stable or unstable apt source?

Danal

Given that 3.0RC1 is a beta release, the matching DSF will be on the unstable channel. Run:

wget -q https://pkg.duet3d.com/duet3d.gpg
wget -q https://pkg.duet3d.com/duet3d-unstable.list
sudo mv duet3d.gpg /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
sudo mv duet3d-unstable.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/duet3d-unstable.list
sudo chown root:root /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/duet3d.gpg
sudo chown root:root /etc/apt/sources.list.d/duet3d-unstable.list

And then
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade duetsoftwareframework

As of a few minutes ago, that installs 1.2.1.0

And to your final question: Upgrade RRF3 firmware via the DWC system upload; upgrade DSF via apt-get, as above.

More info about stable vs. unstable channel: https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Getting_Started_With_Duet_3#Section_Software_Installation

blt3dp

@Danal said in Duet 3 SBC software/firmware upgrades:

sudo apt-get upgrade duetsoftwareframework

Thanks, that did it.

blt3dp

I'm also having an issue with a fault on my heated bed.

It's giving me the message that the temp didn't rise as quickly as expected.

I don't think it's picking up the thermistor correctly, usually it idles around 25C, and now it's about 30C

I'm using the equivalent settings as I was using previously on my Duet 2 Ethernet and 2.04

Here's my previous heater section,

M307 H0 B0 S1.00                            ; Disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
M305 P0 T100000 B3590 R4700                 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
M143 H0 S130                                ; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 130C
M301 H1 S0.70                               ; Set heater 1 PWM limit to 70%
M305 P1 T100000 B4388 C7.060000e-8 R4700    ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
M143 H1 S290                                ; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 290C

And here's my current heater section,

M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3590          ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin temp0
M950 H0 C"out0" T0                                    ; create bed heater output on out0 and map it to sensor 0
M143 H0 S130                                          ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 130C
M307 H0 B0 S1.00                                      ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
M140 H0                                               ; map heated bed to heater 0
M308 S1 P"temp1" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4388 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin temp1
M950 H1 C"out1" T1                                    ; create nozzle heater output on out1 and map it to sensor 1
M143 H1 S290                                          ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 290C
M307 H1 B0 S0.70

Danal

@blt3dp said in Duet 3 SBC software/firmware upgrades:

M305 P0 T100000 B3590 R4700
M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3590

The missing R value in the new definition is the likely cause of the idle discrepancy. It MIGHT also explain the fault.

blt3dp

@Danal

I do think it has something to do with, unfortunately if I throw R4700 in my m308 command the temp goes to 9.8C

Dougal1957

Duet 3 AFAIK use a 2200 ohm sense resistor so change the R from 4700 to 2200 and you should be back on track.

blt3dp

Adding R2200 to my M208 command has taken care of the temperature reading, it’s on line with what I used to see.

But, it still faults. I don’t think it’s a wiring issue. I can connect my heated bed directly to mains wiring (it’s 120VAC @ 4A) and DWC shows the temperature rising at a normal rate.

I’ve bench tested the SSR just in case and it’s working fine.

It really does look like the Duet’s not controlling it like it used to in 2.04

Danal

Perhaps take a look at M570, and adjust the timing of a fault.

dc42

@blt3dp, the M307 H0 command you posted suggests that you haven't run heater tuning on the bed heater.

To get default bed heater parameters, make sure that the M141 H0 command to declare the bed heater comes before the M307 H0 command. Otherwise, when the firmware sees the M307 command with no A C or D parameter, it will assume default parameters for an extruder heater.

blt3dp

@dc42 Correct, I haven’t run tuning in the bed heater. I knew it was a thing for hotends but I’ve never done it for the bed on any of my machines. I guess cause all my past machines have set the bed to bang-bang. Didn’t seem necessary to tune the PID parameters if I wasn’t using that mode. Which brings the question:

Using a SSR to switch a mains powered bed, PID or Bang-Bang?

I also tried the M141 H0 and it didn’t seem to change anything, I’ll PID tune.

Edit: Sure M141 is right? Guide wiki says that’s for setting chamber temp.

Edit again: guessing you meant the M140, prob a typo? I’ll try that before the M307

blt3dp

M140 H0 before the M307 didn’t appear to change anything.

Phaedrux

@blt3dp said in Duet 3 Heated Bed Faulting:

Using a SSR to switch a mains powered bed, PID or Bang-Bang?

PID is almost always going to be the way to go.

blt3dp

I’ll try a PID tune.

blt3dp

PID tuning did fix it, I'm still receiving a notification stating the heater is over powered and would reach 260C if left on at full power. Everything related to my bed can handle well in excess of 140C so I have a thermal fuse in place that will trip at 130C and kill it. How might I adjust or supress the heater overpowered message?

Veti

@blt3dp said in Duet 3 Heated Bed Faulting:

How might I adjust or supress the heater overpowered message?

you can not. that is just a warning.

blt3dp

@Veti said in Duet 3 Heated Bed Faulting:

you can not. that is just a warning.

I thought that might be the case, no worries.