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    • dragonnundefined
      dragonn
      last edited by dragonn

      Based what are you say, that how it should work.
      PA is for compensating pressure build up in the hotend in different speeds.
      When PA would not do its move on retraction you would need different retraction length on different printing speeds. And I can confirm that effect exist on bowden and that is really important when having a full metal hotend where you can not just make the retraction longer at some point.
      I was having that issue that without PA when printing 3dbenchy the retraction worked perfectly fine up to the moment when the model cross-section goes small and the slicer slows down, then I would get clog up. With PA that is fine and I don't have to increase my retraction length so it clogs up because of full metal hotend.

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      • oliofundefined
        oliof
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        @dragonn I don't have issues with clogging or my all metal hotend's retraction settings. While what you write is an interesting observation, it does not add to my issue here.

        <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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        • dragonnundefined
          dragonn @oliof
          last edited by

          @oliof said in Stop Firmware Retract and Pressure Advance from Fighting:
          it does not add to my issue here.

          Ok but what exactly is the issue? Doing PA when doing retraction, what does it cause for you? Because like I describe in my opinion that by itself isn't an issue and shouldn't cause any problems.

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          • oliofundefined
            oliof
            last edited by

            I already said I will provide a more detailed explanation when I have the time. Please stop pestering me about it now.

            <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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            • dc42undefined
              dc42 administrators
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              Pressure advance is not applied to extruder-only moves, including both firmware and slicer-commanded retractions/reprimes.

              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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              • botundefined
                bot @dc42
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                @dc42 said in Stop Firmware Retract and Pressure Advance from Fighting:

                Pressure advance is not applied to extruder-only moves, including both firmware and slicer-commanded retractions/reprimes.

                Perhaps the use of "wipe while retract" could cause the behaviour being described by the OP? It will retract some amount of the retract distance while backtracking along the X/Y path for some distance. Then, it will retract the remaining retraction amount (if any) in a normal retraction move.

                Disabling this slicer feature might provide the more intended firmware/PA behaviour.

                *not actually a robot

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                • dragonnundefined
                  dragonn @bot
                  last edited by

                  @bot can you even use wipe while retract when doing firmware retract? I think not

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                  • botundefined
                    bot @dragonn
                    last edited by

                    @dragonn nice catch, I missed that part somehow.

                    *not actually a robot

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                    • oliofundefined
                      oliof @dc42
                      last edited by

                      @dc42 what's with firmware retract with z hop? Either way, they seem to be applied directly after another which seems to lead to very noisy extruder back-and-forth.

                      <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                      • dc42undefined
                        dc42 administrators @oliof
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                        @oliof said in Stop Firmware Retract and Pressure Advance from Fighting:

                        @dc42 what's with firmware retract with z hop? Either way, they seem to be applied directly after another which seems to lead to very noisy extruder back-and-forth.

                        When G10 is executed, retraction happens first, then Z hop. G11 undoes the Z hop, then undoes the retraction.

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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