Noisy/Fluctuating temperatures in idle since updating to RRF 3
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I think I will just keep using it and see how it goes for now as I see no solution.
I have started a print and can see that despite the temperature seeming unstable at idle, when at temp it levels out to within 0.1 degrees of the requested temperature which is all that matters. I still also get a temperature blip when the bed is probed by the BL touch as shown in the graph below, reporting 15 degrees off within an instant.
It just seems to me that my printer in particular now seems more prone to noise/interference in temp readings than it was before.
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What's your wiring routing like?
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@Phaedrux The thermistors are just simply going to straight from the connectors to the hotend or bed.
All wires going to the X carriage are just simply bundled together though so I guess that is prone to interference. So I guess I should be insulating the thermistor wire from the bl touch and other wires. Weird that this could be causing an issue now after updating but no issue before though.
I used the connectors and crimps that came with the maestro but I wouldn't rule out me not crimping them well.
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The routing looks no different than mine so I'm not sure it's the issue, but maybe there are some subtle differences.
If possible try and separate out the thermistor wires to see if it improves.
At least the temps seem stable when it matters.
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@Phaedrux ok I will give that a go soon and see if I can see a difference.
I feel like if the measurement from shorting the thermistor with a jumper was fluctuating like mad instead of a static reading, shows that the noise/fluctuating issue is happening with the board rather than the thermistor wire.
And yes exactly main thing is they seem to be stable when at temp and not probing which is the important bit.
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I am now tuning pressure advance again after retuning e-steps and find that this also causes my temperature to have massive amounts of fluctuations.
I am printing the pressure advance tuning found on this forum, its alternates between 5mm/s and 70mm/s in a straight line which is seeming to cause these temperature fluctuations. Presumably the extruder motor rapidly changing speeds is causing interference with the thermistor.
It's as if there used to be a filter for sensor noise but now any external factors are now causing havoc with the readings. Is there a setting anywhere for gain or noise compensation perhaps? I am wondering if there was a setting defaulted to on that now is not.
Once the calibration print was finished, the temp levelled out to requested temp and remained stable:
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@MegaAndy
Can you try connecting the thermistor to second extruder input, just to see if its the same. -
@MegaAndy said in Noisy/Fluctuating temperatures in idle since updating to RRF 3:
Presumably the extruder motor rapidly changing speeds is causing interference with the thermistor.
Were you able to separate out the wiring?
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@hackinistrator I have tried swapping the thermistor to the other extruder input and issue persisted.
Below chart shows that it starts spiking as soon as it starts probing, and is still fluctuating while just printing the slow first layer, then as soon as I pause you can see it smoothly levelling out, I then turn the heater off and it smoothly lowers.
I will try separating wires as much as I can now and will report back.
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@Phaedrux Ok so I might be there now!
I separated the wiring from the cable bundle going to the X carriage. I also had decided that while I was unbundling the wires I would replace the right cooling fan that seemed to have died when upgrading to RRF3. I could also see that I had just about fit the thermistor cable extension plug/socket in the gap behind the right fan. I went to check the crimps were ok and also insulate the bare (for a few mm) single core wire going into it with electrical tape but as it was pretty tight in there I managed to break the wire from the crimp. So I soldered the extension on and insulated the join instead and proceeded to test.
With the thermistor separated from the rest I got the below temp chart. There's was a wobble when homing but pretty much fine. I then restarted the print roughly bundling the wires up again with my hands to see if it would play up again and it was also fine.
I have now rebundled all the wires again, and ran the print that would produce the issue every time. Below is the temp graph this time, perfect:
So I think this should be it solved for now but only time will tell using it properly to see if it comes back in certain situations! I do still think the fact that the temperature is jittering at low temps on all sensors doesn't seem normal though and I expect that must have still been related.
Anyway, thank you all for the help, especially @Phaedrux and @Veti, this community really is brilliant.
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@MegaAndy said in Noisy/Fluctuating temperatures in idle since updating to RRF 3:
I could also see that I had just about fit the thermistor cable extension plug/socket in the gap behind the right fan. I went to check the crimps were ok and also insulate the bare (for a few mm) single core wire going into it with electrical tape but as it was pretty tight in there I managed to break the wire from the crimp. So I soldered the extension on and insulated the join instead and proceeded to test.
Was it a fan wire or thermistor wire that was bare?
I think you've got it solved now.
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@Phaedrux The sleeve on the thermistor wire was not covering the final 2 or 3 mm going into the connector shown below.
I do find it curious that this was situated behind the right fan, and also the right fan had died when upgrading. I don't think its possible that the small amount of exposed wire could have shorted anything, there was no room for it to move anywhere.
