What is my speed limit?
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E3D has a new version of the sock, which looks better: http://e3d-online.com/E3D-v6/Spares/V6-Sock-Kit-3-Pack
Ordered some of them to try. But yeah, had the same problem as you with the old version.I'm also stuck at 60mm/s (0.2LH with 0.4 nozzle, with bowden), beyond, my extruder is skipping. I can go faster but only at 0.1LH
Socks help when you've got cooling fan for PLA, but no so much, after its the limit of the E3D heatblock. When you've got a rigid frame and an high speed printer, volcano will do the trick, seen it on my friend's printer. 0.4 nozzle are available too for volcano so you'll keep your resolution (currently waiting for mine). Large nozzle and large heat block will let you print quicker.
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It's all about how fast you can melt filament in terms of mm^3/sec so a large nozzle with a greater area will actually reduce the maximum possible print speed.
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Head speed is lower as you said, but you can max the melt rate of the volcano block and lay down more filament per unit time, with a large nozzle rather a 0.4mm. Plus big parts printed with big extrusion lines are stronger.
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You just upped my interest in the Volcano. I didn't look hard for other nozzles. I only saw what they offered in the kit that they sell. And I believe that .05 is the smallest they offer in that. If they offer a .04 I will order one right now.
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You just upped my interest in the Volcano. I didn't look hard for other nozzles. I only saw what they offered in the kit that they sell. And I believe that .05 is the smallest they offer in that. If they offer a .04 I will order one right now.
Please let me know how yours turns out.I've asked E3D because their descriptions pages are always outdated. The starter pack comes with a 0.8 and the eruption pack comes with the all set from 0.6, the 0.4 is an optional nozzle out of any pack.
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You can get a clone nozzle in almost any size.
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Personally I would pair the second sock that nozzle is protruding with a copper heat block and copper nozzle. The copper nozzle doesnt stick to filaments like PLA and ABS… it starts gunking up with stuff like igus iglidur etc though.
Thanks for the tip on new sock design, i gave up on them due to the filament and nozzle oozing up.
Scott, have you tried elmoret's recommendation .4 layer width and .2 layer height? The default settings of a slicers layer width will naturally slow down how fast you can print.
I run a 40w heater with copper block and nozzle without a sock and have no issues printing 60mm/s parimeters with above layer settings.
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Forgot to add the nozzle tip design is easily modified to the better design with a craft knife.
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Scott, have you tried elmoret's recommendation .4 layer width and .2 layer height? The default settings of a slicers layer width will naturally slow down how fast you can print.
I run a 40w heater with copper block and nozzle without a sock and have no issues printing 60mm/s parimeters with above layer settings.
No I haven't. And in truth I didn't know you could control the two separately.
I just tried googling how to adjust the layer width in S3D throughout the print and I didn't find anything definitive.
But I did find a couple of hints and I have formulated a guess and I am hoping you can confirm if I am right.You would control the parameter and infill width by the parameter outline count. Meaning, if printing at 0.2 layer height and setting 2 parameter outlines. Correct?
That parameter outline setting dictates the infill width if I read it correctly.
How would that effect resolution? Or would it at all?
If I have this figured right, adjusting to these layer settings wouldn't necessarily increase print speed, but decrease print time.I hope you tell me that I figured it out correctly, because I am feeling like a 3D Printing Master right now.
I spent a few minutes last night cutting out the holes in some extra socks that I have, with a pair of wire snips. They're not pretty but it's all about function over fashion, right?
I really do appreciate everyone's help.
Maybe one of these days I'll take a trip to England and I'll buy you all a beer. You guys drink that dark beer with STUFF floating around in the bottom of the glass, I think.
Or you all could come to South Alabama, USA and I could introduce you to sweet iced tea and grits. -
I drink more or less any type of beer
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Scott, have you tried elmoret's recommendation .4 layer width and .2 layer height? The default settings of a slicers layer width will naturally slow down how fast you can print.
I run a 40w heater with copper block and nozzle without a sock and have no issues printing 60mm/s parimeters with above layer settings.
No I haven't. And in truth I didn't know you could control the two separately.
I just tried googling how to adjust the layer width in S3D throughout the print and I didn't find anything definitive.
But I did find a couple of hints and I have formulated a guess and I am hoping you can confirm if I am right.You would control the parameter and infill width by the parameter outline count. Meaning, if printing at 0.2 layer height and setting 2 parameter outlines. Correct?
That parameter outline setting dictates the infill width if I read it correctly.
How would that effect resolution? Or would it at all?
If I have this figured right, adjusting to these layer settings wouldn't necessarily increase print speed, but decrease print time.I hope you tell me that I figured it out correctly, because I am feeling like a 3D Printing Master right now.
I spent a few minutes last night cutting out the holes in some extra socks that I have, with a pair of wire snips. They're not pretty but it's all about function over fashion, right?
I really do appreciate everyone's help.
Maybe one of these days I'll take a trip to England and I'll buy you all a beer. You guys drink that dark beer with STUFF floating around in the bottom of the glass, I think.
Or you all could come to South Alabama, USA and I could introduce you to sweet iced tea and grits.
S3D might default that to something else.
Normal place to change layer height.
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Exactly what he posted in the images, extrusion width is the layer width, setting that to manual (s3d defaults to auto) and setting it to .4 width then setting layer height to .2 will give you better results.
As a rule of thumb i use extrusion width to match nozzle size so if you had a .35 nozzle then you would set .35 width.
This is just my opinion but slicers should be used to compensate for different filament types and your printer should be firmware tuned to work with PLA with a layer width matching your nozzle size and a perimeter overlap of 5%
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I'm embarrassed. I always thought that meant the nozzle size, and affiliated with the input right above it when you set the actual nozzle size.
So it was dumb luck that I had already had that set to manual and 0.40.I do have a happy update…
I installed the sock onto the heater block, and I finally got a chance to play around with pressure advance.
This is at 100mm/s, 0.16 layer height, and 210C. PLA+
I am quite pleased with myself.https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15733846/20170719_184505.mp4
Well….I thought it would show a thumbnail but at least it's a hyperlink.
Total and complete difference.
It would usually blow out while laying the line. Leaving the line ghastly under-extruded and/or broken completely.
The infill was always worse. (60% infill) But now it is full and uniform.Even though I didn't see a temperature fluctuation there must have been cold spots next to the orifice and nozzle.
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nice looking build are those igus carbon rods?
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Thank you!
Not Igus, but according to the listing, Arris.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TF8UY9A/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I had to buy 2 sets because on the first order I found 1 to be bent 2/3 of the way.
The 2nd order both were straight.You'll notice the vendor as "Hobby-Wing". So they were probably meant for RC aero stuff.
I used to be into RC Helicopters like an addict would be into heroin and these are exactly like the rods I would use on my smaller electric choppers for the tail boom and landing skids.I am however using Igus bearings on the X-carriage. They were a little tight at first and I helped them out a little with some machine oil and they have been really turned out nice.
I have several hours on the machine and I took the carriage off just the other night to installed a modified version and I check the bearing tolerance and they were still very tight, yet sliding very smoothly. I would like to upgrade the Y carriage to Igus as well. I have linear bearings on it now. You could probably hear them screaming on the video.I think if I replaced those bearings, and got a quieter hotend fan, it would be near silent.
EDIT:
After re-reading what I just posted, I mentioned that the rods were bent. Wrong choice of words.
The diameter was not consistent all the way across the rod. The bearing would hang 2/3 across pretty bad.
I could've sanded them but since the other rod was perfect I opted to throw the dice and order another set.
I got lucky and both rods were perfect. -
Exactly what he posted in the images, extrusion width is the layer width, setting that to manual (s3d defaults to auto) and setting it to .4 width then setting layer height to .2 will give you better results.
As a rule of thumb i use extrusion width to match nozzle size so if you had a .35 nozzle then you would set .35 width.
This is just my opinion but slicers should be used to compensate for different filament types and your printer should be firmware tuned to work with PLA with a layer width matching your nozzle size and a perimeter overlap of 5%
I have a slightly different approach to extrusion width (for layers 2 and above, I usually use 200% for layer 1). If you extrude into free air from a 0.4mm nozzle (which you have verified using micro drill bits to measure, actually is 0.4mm, as many are 0.43, 0.44, 0.38 etc..) and then measure the cold extruded filament you'll see a larger diameter than 0.4mm due to die-swell, the filament expands slightly after being extruded. It might be 0.48 for a 0.4mm nozzle and indeed this is the default extrusion width for s3d and slic3r. If I get a value a lot higher when measuring the extruded filament say 0.52mm then I use that as my extrusion width. Provided your steps/mm for E are accurately calibrated and your extruder is doing its job properly, no skipping/slipping etc then you can tweak the extrusion width by doing a series of test cubes 20x20x10 with say 0.38, 0.4, 0.44, 0.48, 0.52 and chose the best one. Often the top layer is a nice indication of how well this is tuned, as first layer effects have faded by then.
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Exactly what he posted in the images, extrusion width is the layer width, setting that to manual (s3d defaults to auto) and setting it to .4 width then setting layer height to .2 will give you better results.
As a rule of thumb i use extrusion width to match nozzle size so if you had a .35 nozzle then you would set .35 width.
This is just my opinion but slicers should be used to compensate for different filament types and your printer should be firmware tuned to work with PLA with a layer width matching your nozzle size and a perimeter overlap of 5%
I have a slightly different approach to extrusion width (for layers 2 and above, I usually use 200% for layer 1). If you extrude into free air from a 0.4mm nozzle (which you have verified using micro drill bits to measure, actually is 0.4mm, as many are 0.43, 0.44, 0.38 etc..) and then measure the cold extruded filament you'll see a larger diameter than 0.4mm due to die-swell, the filament expands slightly after being extruded. It might be 0.48 for a 0.4mm nozzle and indeed this is the default extrusion width for s3d and slic3r. If I get a value a lot higher when measuring the extruded filament say 0.52mm then I use that as my extrusion width. Provided your steps/mm for E are accurately calibrated and your extruder is doing its job properly, no skipping/slipping etc then you can tweak the extrusion width by doing a series of test cubes 20x20x10 with say 0.38, 0.4, 0.44, 0.48, 0.52 and chose the best one. Often the top layer is a nice indication of how well this is tuned, as first layer effects have faded by then.
My method is slightly different using a single wall 40mm test cube with .4 and then lowering temp until i get within .02 +/- tolerences for the filament i am using.
I understand the reasoning behind your method just that i have seen some great results doing things this way which i know is against the norm and as such used the my opinion disclaimer
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Thank you!
Not Igus, but according to the listing, Arris.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TF8UY9A/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I had to buy 2 sets because on the first order I found 1 to be bent 2/3 of the way.
The 2nd order both were straight.You'll notice the vendor as "Hobby-Wing". So they were probably meant for RC aero stuff.
I used to be into RC Helicopters like an addict would be into heroin and these are exactly like the rods I would use on my smaller electric choppers for the tail boom and landing skids.I am however using Igus bearings on the X-carriage. They were a little tight at first and I helped them out a little with some machine oil and they have been really turned out nice.
I have several hours on the machine and I took the carriage off just the other night to installed a modified version and I check the bearing tolerance and they were still very tight, yet sliding very smoothly. I would like to upgrade the Y carriage to Igus as well. I have linear bearings on it now. You could probably hear them screaming on the video.I think if I replaced those bearings, and got a quieter hotend fan, it would be near silent.
EDIT:
After re-reading what I just posted, I mentioned that the rods were bent. Wrong choice of words.
The diameter was not consistent all the way across the rod. The bearing would hang 2/3 across pretty bad.
I could've sanded them but since the other rod was perfect I opted to throw the dice and order another set.
I got lucky and both rods were perfect.Nice, you should try the igus filaments, i actually like them better than the igus bushings but for reasons that sound like are not an issue with your rods
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My method is slightly different using a single wall 40mm test cube with .4 and then lowering temp until i get within .02 +/- tolerances for the filament i am using.
For answering the speed limit question I have become a fan of 'volumetric printing'. similar to Whitewolf's comment in that it is specific to the filament.
See point #9 in this post: http://forum.seemecnc.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=7361 – the steps are a bit poorly written but essentially you work out the best temperature and max flow rate for your filament + extruder/hotend/nozzle. Don't know about S3D but you can plug this result into the dev versions of Slic3r and set all the individual speeds to 'auto'. Thanks dc42 and Deckingman for the pressure advance conversations, because that tweak took out the few blobs I was still seeing.This works great for 'normal' objects, though still slow down for fine detail stuff that perhaps needs cooling time -- but now there are only max flow and max speed knobs to adjust.
YMMV of course, interested to read what others think of this.
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I think I have it dialed in nicely. I am getting really nice prints from the PLA+ roll I have been tuning with.
Then I put on a roll PETG. Good grief. I could print it beautifully on my old clone, but this printer just doesn't like it.
I blame the brand just a little. I bought a brand new roll of eSun and I have spent several hours this weekend trying to get it dialed in with no success. I pulled out an old roll of Hatchbox PETG and it looks pretty good. I can work with this. But I have had to lower my speed down to 35mm/s to get it to act right. I could squeeze 50mm/s out of the p;d machine.Then moral of this story is I concur that with pressure advance being a great addition because I have zero stringing and very few blobs with PETG. When before, even though the print looked great, it needed a shave. I am still having trouble with deformed corners though. For instance if I print a test cube, the sidewalls are smooth and uniform but the corners bulge in places and the layers a slightly out of line. I always though that was an over/under-extruding problem that I hoped Pressure Advance would eliminate.
