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    • fcwiltundefined
      fcwilt
      last edited by

      Hi,

      When the auto-cal process finishes it reports deviation before and after.

      On my printer the before deviation of a 2nd (or 3rd, 4th, etc) run never seems to match the after deviation of the previous run.

      Why? Does it tell me anything important about my printer?

      My deviations are not very good (after was 0.065) and I cannot determine what to do to improve things.

      I've read (over and over) the notes about calibrating a delta and have tried my best to set things to right but nothing seems to improving my cal results.

      Thanks.

      Frederick

      Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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      • Jackalundefined
        Jackal
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        What probe are you using for calibration?

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        • dc42undefined
          dc42 administrators
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          What it's telling you is that your printer build has geometrical errors that auto calibration can't compensate for, or that your Z probe doesn't have a consistent trigger height. See https://duet3d.com/wiki/Calibrating_a_delta_printer. Putting a bulls eye spirit level on the effector is a good start because it shows up many types of error.

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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          • fcwiltundefined
            fcwilt
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            @Jackal:

            What probe are you using for calibration?

            dc42's IR device.

            Frederick

            Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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            • fcwiltundefined
              fcwilt
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              @dc42:

              What it's telling you is that your printer build has geometrical errors that auto calibration can't compensate for, or that your Z probe doesn't have a consistent trigger height. See https://duet3d.com/wiki/Calibrating_a_delta_printer. Putting a bulls eye spirit level on the effector is a good start because it shows up many types of error.

              I have read that many times.

              In the past few days I took the printer apart, replaced the plastic corners with metal ones, tried to keep the frame plumb, level and square as appropriate, replaced the stock arms with some well know carbon fiber with magnetic balls units, installed your IR sensor - in short I did my best to do it right - but it seems to have still come out wrong.

              I will try the spirit level and see what I can learn from that.

              Thanks.

              Frederick

              Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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              • dc42undefined
                dc42 administrators
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                What bed surface are you using?

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                • fcwiltundefined
                  fcwilt
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                  @dc42:

                  What bed surface are you using?

                  It's a 1/2" piece of MDF supporting a 3mm aluminum heater with a 3mm piece of borosilicate glass on top.

                  I didn't think I should mount the aluminum heater directly to the metal frame thus the piece of MDF.

                  I used an adjustable square to see if the towers were perpendicular to the surface of the glass - it seemed good from all three towers but I don't know exactly how accurate it must be.

                  Laying the edge of the steel ruler across the glass doesn't reveal any obvious problems with the glass not being flat - but again I don't know how flat it must be - or even how to accurately to measure for that.

                  Thanks.

                  Frederick

                  Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                  • dc42undefined
                    dc42 administrators
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                    Do you have black paper between the glass and the aluminium? Reflections from below the glass can cause the IR sensor to have a trigger height that varies with position.

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                    • fcwiltundefined
                      fcwilt
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                      @dc42:

                      Do you have black paper between the glass and the aluminium? Reflections from below the glass can cause the IR sensor to have a trigger height that varies with position.

                      No - I was not aware of that practice - I will give it a try.

                      Thanks.

                      Frederick

                      Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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