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    deckingman
    last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 13:12

    Just tried to upgrade to 1.19beta11 from 1.19beta8 on my Duet Ethernet through the web interface and I still get the same issues that I had trying to upgrade to beta 9. That is to say that after apparently updating, DWC reports that it could not connect. I have to cycle the power and when I do so, DWC reports that I'm still on 1.19 beta8.

    Ian
    https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
    https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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      adri84dj
      last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 13:15

      @deckingman:

      Just tried to upgrade to 1.19beta11 from 1.19beta8 on my Duet Ethernet through the web interface and I still get the same issues that I had trying to upgrade to beta 9. That is to say that after apparently updating, DWC reports that it could not connect. I have to cycle the power and when I do so, DWC reports that I'm still on 1.19 beta8.

      I think it is from 1.19beta10 + 2 when you let update from the web with no problems. I was able to upgrade to beta11

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        dc42 administrators
        last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 16:14

        That's right, it's a bug in some versions of DuetEthernetFirmware 1.19beta, fixed in 10+2. If you are affected then you will need to update to a new version using SAM-BA or Bossa/bossac 1.8. Although it's possible that if you enable FTP on your old system and transfer a file, you might be able to update over the web after that.

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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          kazolar
          last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 16:26

          BTW. I started seeing:
          "Can't open 0:/sys/oem.json to read, error code 4" since I updated everything to latest and greatest. Is this an issue with DWC update?

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            dc42 administrators
            last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 17:09

            I guess you must have a USB host connected. You can ignore that message; but I'll discuss with chrishamm how we can get rid of it.

            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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              kazolar
              last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 18:02

              @dc42:

              I guess you must have a USB host connected. You can ignore that message; but I'll discuss with chrishamm how we can get rid of it.

              I don't – I did at one point when I was trying to debug liner motion. I actually couldn't leave USB connected as the board really didn't like it with ethernet. Basically the ethernet connection would drop out and I only had USB connectivity. I ordered a USB isolator as I want to have that option open to me. I am assuming ethernet issue was caused by a ground loop of some sort.

              Y

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                dc42 administrators
                last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 18:32

                Ethernet is isolated, so I'm surprised it was affected by USB.

                See https://duet3d.com/wiki/Important_note_on_using_a_USB_connection for advise on using USB.

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                  kazolar
                  last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 19:00

                  @dc42:

                  Ethernet is isolated, so I'm surprised it was affected by USB.

                  See https://duet3d.com/wiki/Important_note_on_using_a_USB_connection for advise on using USB.

                  Yep I saw that. That's why I have a USB isolator coming (Amazon says tomorrow) – it definitely didn't like it, and all the lights on Ethernet port went out and board just fell off line, didn't crash or do anything like that, but wasn't happy, it seemed to be either or, as soon as I disconnected the USB -- ethernet came back, so I only used it sparingly since with DWC and the LCD -- USB is basically only needed for emergencies.
                  I usually run OctoPrint, the only functionality I'm missing with DWC is camera, but I see it supports a URL, so I can add something, and remote power/shutdown, which I can accomplish by adding 5V standby power and use a simple relay board to power on the main PSU -- so I will look into that later.
                  I have my OctoPrint instances setup to e-mail me when a print starts and when it ends (with a picture), it also notifies my central web server which machine started and/or finished printing -- the central server then starts polling every minute for print progress. They also handle automatic power off of the printer PSU 20 minutes after a print job is done -- unless a new one is started. I'll need to figure out how to do that with Duet -- I may end up adding Pi0 with a camera or something similar to get all those functions.

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                    zlowred
                    last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 19:48

                    I've tried installing 1.19 beta 11 and it fails to calibrate my Delta very much the same as in this (not mine) video https://youtu.be/lgSrFK_ke1M.
                    Any hints how do I fix that?

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                      deckingman
                      last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 20:08

                      I've got crazy problem since upgrading earlier from1.19beta8 to 1.19beta11(experimental version to fix fan7 issue). My CoreXY X an Y axes have become reversed but swapping the plugs doesn't change the behaviour!

                      My mapping in config.g is this
                      M584 X0:3 Y1:4 Z2 E5:6:7:8:9

                      So I turned off the power to the Duet, swapped drive 0 with drive 1 and drive 3 with drive 4 thinking that I've swapped X with Y. But when I press X+10 in Duet, the machine still moves Y+10 and vica versa when I do Y+10 it moves X + 10. I trebble checked against the wiring diagram. By default drive 0 is X and drive 1 is Y, but swapping X and Y motors makes no difference - the wrong axis moves (but in the correct direction).

                      Then I tried putting the wiring back to standard and swapping the motors by changing the mapping to this
                      M584 X1:4 Y0:3 Z2 E5:6:7:8:9

                      Still the same X+10 moves in Y and Y+10 moves in X.

                      How can this be. More importantly, how can I fix it?

                      Edit. Can;t be sure it worked in 1.19beta8 as I didn't have any drives re-mapped.

                      Further Edit. Could this issue also be the reason why on DWC only extruder drive 1 and "All" work?

                      Ian
                      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                        dc42 administrators
                        last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 20:36

                        Hi Ian,

                        The X and Y motor assignment changed at beta 9. However, it's just not possible that the head moves in the wrong directions in exactly the same way when you swap them (either in the wiring or in the M584 drive assignments). Please check again what they are doing. I think you will find that one of them is moving the wrong axis in the negative direction, not positive. In which case, you need to use M569 to reverse one of the motor directions.

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                          deckingman
                          last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 21:10

                          David,

                          You're right. There is a slight difference when I check carefully.

                          X-10 std wiring = Y-10, reversed wiring = Y+10
                          Y-10 std wiring = X-10, reversed wiring = X-10 (the same)
                          X+10 std wiring = Y+10, reversed wiring = Y-10
                          Y+10 std wiring = X+10, reversed wiring = X+10 (also the same).

                          I'll play around with motor directions to see if I can fix it.

                          Ian
                          https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                            deckingman
                            last edited by 26 Jul 2017, 21:23

                            I've tried every combination of direction. The best I can get is that X moves as it should but Y moves positive instead of negative. It's too late and I'm too tired. I''ll try gain tomorrow after I've slept on it.

                            Ian
                            https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                            https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                              dc42 administrators
                              last edited by 27 Jul 2017, 06:43

                              You need to use what you are calling reversed wiring.

                              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                deckingman
                                last edited by 27 Jul 2017, 07:15

                                OK. So with "reversed wiring", that is to say the X motors were connected to drives 0 and 3 and the Y were connected to 1 and 4 so now with "reversed wiring" X motors are now connected to drives 1 and 4 and Y motors are connected to drives 0 and 3.

                                I've tried all 4 combinations of motor direction and here is what I get.

                                P0 S1, P1 S0, P3 S1, and P4 S0.

                                X+10 gives Y+10 - wrong
                                X-10 gives Y-10 - wrong
                                Y+10 gives X-10 - wrong
                                Y-10 gives X+10 - wrong

                                P0 S0, P1 S0, P3 S0, and P4 S0

                                X+10 gives X+10 -OK
                                X-10 gives X-10 - OK
                                Y+10 gives Y-10 -wrong
                                Y-10 gives Y+10 - wrong

                                P0 S1, P1 S1, P3 S1 and P4 S1

                                X+10 gives X-10 -wrong
                                X-10 gives X+10 - wrong
                                Y+10 gives Y+10 - OK
                                Y-10 gives Y-10 - OK

                                P0 S0, P1 S1, P3 S0 and P4 S1

                                X+10 gives Y-10 - wrong
                                X-10 gives Y+10 - wrong
                                Y+10 gives X+10 - wrong
                                Y-10 gives X-10 - wrong.

                                That's all the possible combinations.

                                Ian
                                https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                  Nuffe
                                  last edited by 27 Jul 2017, 10:31

                                  @dc42:

                                  Support 2 additional external drivers connected to the CONN_LCD socket

                                  Where can I find more information about this feature?

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                                    kazolar
                                    last edited by 27 Jul 2017, 13:13

                                    @Nuffe:

                                    @dc42:

                                    Support 2 additional external drivers connected to the CONN_LCD socket

                                    Where can I find more information about this feature?

                                    https://www.duet3d.com/forum/thread.php?pid=19715#p19715

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                                      dc42 administrators
                                      last edited by 27 Jul 2017, 13:47

                                      @deckingman:

                                      OK. So with "reversed wiring", that is to say the X motors were connected to drives 0 and 3 and the Y were connected to 1 and 4 so now with "reversed wiring" X motors are now connected to drives 1 and 4 and Y motors are connected to drives 0 and 3.

                                      I've tried all 4 combinations of motor direction and here is what I get.

                                      P0 S1, P1 S0, P3 S1, and P4 S0.

                                      X+10 gives Y+10 - wrong
                                      X-10 gives Y-10 - wrong
                                      Y+10 gives X-10 - wrong
                                      Y-10 gives X+10 - wrong

                                      P0 S0, P1 S0, P3 S0, and P4 S0

                                      X+10 gives X+10 -OK
                                      X-10 gives X-10 - OK
                                      Y+10 gives Y-10 -wrong
                                      Y-10 gives Y+10 - wrong

                                      P0 S1, P1 S1, P3 S1 and P4 S1

                                      X+10 gives X-10 -wrong
                                      X-10 gives X+10 - wrong
                                      Y+10 gives Y+10 - OK
                                      Y-10 gives Y-10 - OK

                                      P0 S0, P1 S1, P3 S0 and P4 S1

                                      X+10 gives Y-10 - wrong
                                      X-10 gives Y+10 - wrong
                                      Y+10 gives X+10 - wrong
                                      Y-10 gives X-10 - wrong.

                                      That's all the possible combinations.

                                      Hi Ian,

                                      Please do the individual X and Y motor tests (G1 S2 commands) described at https://duet3d.com/wiki/Configuring_RepRapFirmware_for_a_CoreXY_printer#Movement_section. I may have been wrong about swapping the X and Y motors, it may be that you just needed to reverse the direction of the Y motor,

                                      HTH David

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                        deckingman
                                        last edited by 27 Jul 2017, 14:08

                                        Hi David,

                                        Yes it's looking like we don't need swap the wires. With them swapped from their original position when I do G91 then G1 S2 X10 F3000 I get +X -Y (plus X minus Y) movement. G1 S2 Y10 F3000 gives me -X -Y (minus X and Y).

                                        I'll swap the wires back to their original positions and play around with motor directions again.

                                        Ian

                                        Ian
                                        https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                        https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                          deckingman
                                          last edited by 27 Jul 2017, 14:30

                                          Yes that's fixed it. Wiring back to how it was. P0 and P3 set to S0 which is original. P1 and P4 set to S0 instead of the original S1 and now all movement in X and Y is as expected. Thank God I'm not actually losing my mind which is the conclusion that I was rapidly heading towards 🙂

                                          So in summary, wiring needs to stay the same but Y motor direction needs to be reversed.

                                          Wonder why no one else has picked up on this?

                                          Ian
                                          https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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