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    DjDemonD
    last edited by 27 Sept 2017, 18:29

    Have you considered other probing options. Smarteffector or piezo probes are not affected by temperature in this way? If prusa are temperature compensating their pinda probe then it must be capacitative, these are not a great choice generally but if you have sufficient control of the entire machine as prusa do they can be made to work. I wonder if they have a humidity sensor too?

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      kelchm
      last edited by 27 Sept 2017, 22:17

      @DjDemonD:

      Have you considered other probing options. Smarteffector or piezo probes are not affected by temperature in this way? If prusa are temperature compensating their pinda probe then it must be capacitative, these are not a great choice generally but if you have sufficient control of the entire machine as prusa do they can be made to work. I wonder if they have a humidity sensor too?

      I'm 99% sure that Prusa is using inductive sensor like they have in the past. Previously they actually had specific locations on the PCB heater that were also used for calibration. I'm not sure how that will work with the new spring steel print bed.

      I've thought about using a different type of sensor, but just haven't had the time to actually follow through on it.

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        DjDemonD
        last edited by 27 Sept 2017, 22:44

        At TCT today I had a good look at the i3 mk2 and mk3, thinking about buying a mk3. We've been thinking about how to integrate our sensor on an i3. If you were willing to give it a try we'd happily give you one to play with. We were thinking it might be a waste of time given that the sensor on the i3 seems to be very much an integrated part of the machine, with the axis calibration/bed levelling etc.. and I have not heard many complaints from i3 owners so far, but if it is not performing to your expectations, then I am quite sure we can improve upon it. Piezo is just a more reliable way to do it and has the added benefits of no offsets, its independent of the surface being printed on, its light, and permanently mounted.

        Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
        www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
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          AS-3D Druck
          last edited by 28 Sept 2017, 13:22

          Why did Prusa not install a BLTouch?
          I orderd one and hope it will work better than my Capacitive Sensor. 😄

          Best regards
          AS-3D Druck / Andre

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            DjDemonD
            last edited by 28 Sept 2017, 13:35

            Bltouch is a nice idea but it's not that accurate or repeatable. I suspect it wasn't good enough for Prusa.

            Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
            www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
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              Mike
              last edited by 28 Sept 2017, 15:58

              The inductive sensor is used to detect probe points in the bed. Since the beds are precisely manufactured and their position is known, this data can be used to adjust for slanted bed/skewed axis. With a Bltouch or a piezo you'll still be able to do mesh bed leveling (probably to much better precision with the piezo), but no MK2 specific black magic calibration.

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                AS-3D Druck
                last edited by 28 Sept 2017, 16:33

                @DjDemonD:

                Bltouch is a nice idea but it's not that accurate or repeatable. I suspect it wasn't good enough for Prusa.

                Sry i never heard something from a Sensor like this.
                Does it use the preasure when the Nozzle touches the Bed or use it some sort of light to measure the Distance?

                Best regards
                AS-3D Druck / Andre

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                  DjDemonD
                  last edited by 28 Sept 2017, 16:46

                  Bltouch is an all in one probe and solenoid to deploy/stow it. https://m.aliexpress.com/search.htm?keywords=bltouch#/ Its small and light and easy to mount. Just not very accurate, accurate enough for a reasonable first layer on a cartesian machine, but isn't going to calibrate your large delta that accurately.

                  Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                  www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                  PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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                    AS-3D Druck
                    last edited by 28 Sept 2017, 16:53

                    Sry i quoted the Wrong Post. 😄
                    I wanna know something about the Piezo. 😉

                    Best regards
                    AS-3D Druck / Andre

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                      Dougal1957
                      last edited by 28 Sept 2017, 17:07

                      link to it is in Dj's signature

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                        DjDemonD
                        last edited by 28 Sept 2017, 17:36

                        What he said. There's a ton of info there.

                        Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                        www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                        PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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                          minim
                          last edited by 29 Sept 2017, 13:50

                          It's really top of line! I swapped a DC42 IR sensor for piezo and I'm not looking back. This thing is accurate and works on any surface I've tested it on without having to redo offset. Swapping nozzles and even from regular to volcano without having to redo Z offset is awesome. Not going back 😄

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                            DjDemonD
                            last edited by 29 Sept 2017, 17:20

                            After tct were looking into streamlining it and maybe getting them made in sls nylon, but this will be a while.

                            Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                            www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                            PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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                              Boarder101
                              last edited by 8 Oct 2017, 20:23

                              @dc42:

                              The ideal motors for stall detection would be high-inductance ones - which is just the opposite of what you need for high speed.

                              Maybe I should put an experimental stall detect feature in 1.20, with configurable stallguard thresholds and minimum speeds at which it is used.

                              Yup yup yup, all over this as needing to be a feature added!

                              Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm! - WC

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