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    Frank833
    last edited by 18 Sept 2017, 17:27

    In my work we use SCRs to control large heaters - our systems will typically have 10-20 SCRs and draw 200amps at 240V. Heating 20 ton equipment to 700F.

    SCRs are GREAT, BUT they can fail "ON". Be sure you have a Thermal Limit Safety Switch to interrupt power if this happens. I am sure most any kind of contactor can fail on. So, everyone should have a safety on their bed heater unless you KNOW that your heater will not get too hot when left running wide open.

    I've had one house burn down (not related to 3D printing). I am not going through that again!

    I use a Bradford White Reset Thermal Switch 239-43676-01 (you can stick that in google and find it). It is meant for a water heater. I close it for easy mounting. But there are lots of options.

    Mine is mounted about 50mm from the heater. For $10, it is worth the peace of mind.

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      Fishbyte
      last edited by 18 Sept 2017, 18:02

      Thankyou Frank 833, I will look into that as that bed heater gets pretty hot…...pretty quick 😉

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        Fishbyte
        last edited by 18 Sept 2017, 18:21

        @Frank833 I just ordered one and question, does it go inline with one of the cables going to heat bed or does it go across both wires that go to the heatbed ? Thanks

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          dc42 administrators
          last edited by 18 Sept 2017, 20:16

          SCRs are good for controlling AC devices, but not very suited to controlling DC devices such as your 24V bed heater because you need to take special actions to turn them off. They also have a relatively high voltage drop. So stick with your Auber DC-DC SSR.

          DC-AC SSRs generally use a triac, which is a close relative of the SCR.

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            Fishbyte
            last edited by 19 Sept 2017, 00:05

            @dc42 I want to use it for safety reasons as Frank833 stated above. I ams using the Auber SSR and using the Bradford White Reset Thermal Switch to shut off the power to the Heat bed. Will this not work effectively?

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              dc42 administrators
              last edited by 19 Sept 2017, 06:17

              Yes a thermal switch is a good safety feature. Make sure it can carry the required current.

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                Frank833
                last edited by 20 Sept 2017, 00:29

                @Fishbyte:

                @Frank833 I just ordered one and question, does it go inline with one of the cables going to heat bed or does it go across both wires that go to the heatbed ? Thanks

                It goes in-line in your + or 'load' (if mains). So put it between the SSR, SCR, Relay or Duet (whatever is powering your heater) and the heater.

                It is just a dumb switch - it just disconnects the circuit if it gets too hot. Press the button to reset it. They sometime 'break' if they trip (fail to reset).

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                  dc42 administrators
                  last edited by 1 Oct 2017, 22:31

                  You should get something displayed on the TFT panel even with the tx and rx wires not connected, unless the firmware has been erased. You could try re-installing the firmware on the PanelDue.

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                    mhackney
                    last edited by 6 Oct 2017, 13:46

                    David, he is getting backlight only. I recall that if Tx and Rx lines are reversed (I did that once years ago!) that was the behavior. When you say "something displayed" what should one see?

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                      dc42 administrators
                      last edited by 6 Oct 2017, 14:29

                      If the Tx and Rx lines are reversed, I would not expect to get backlight only - I would expect to get a normal screen but no status to be received. I am surprised if you saw something different.

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