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Firmware wishlist and priorities for Duet WiFi and Duet Ethernet

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    veng1
    last edited by 13 Jan 2018, 00:58

    Use StallGuard to tune motors for maximum speed and acceleration.

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      waldo563
      last edited by 13 Jan 2018, 06:17

      18, 20, 6, 2, 3
      Thanks

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        dc42 administrators
        last edited by 13 Jan 2018, 10:45

        @veng1:

        Use StallGuard to tune motors for maximum speed and acceleration.

        StallGuard won't tell you the maximum speed you can achieve, but you can work it out using the spreadsheet linked to from https://duet3d.com/wiki/Choosing_stepper_motors#How_to_work_out_the_power_supply_voltage_you_need.

        I am not sure that StallGuard can tell you the maximum accelerations available either, because what it actually detects is increasing slip angle between the ideal motor position and actual motor position. This slip angle increases with motor load. So it can warn you when the load increases to a value that is close to the maximum value before stalling, but only if you calibrate that value first.

        If enough users participated, I guess we could build up a database of recommended stallgard settings for various stepper motor models.

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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          Markdnd
          last edited by 14 Jan 2018, 10:17

          Can I add a vote for 19 (Cool down power off wait) with the acknowledgement that a maintained supply to VFAN would achieve the same thing. (On that topic, any chance of proper supply terminals for the fan bus on the next generation of boards? Connecting via VFAN feels a bit hacky)

          I’d also like to put in a word for auto-updates.

          Whilst I accept the dangers of auto-updating (I’m currently resisting a similar request on my own software) can I suggest that you consider providing an update wizard that backs up the current configuration then walks the user through any configuration changes before installing the update.
          If you need additional incentive, just think of all the support requests you’ll save if you get it right.

          A clear indication on the client that updates (including paneldue and the probe) are available would be useful too - I recently updated my main board to the latest 1.20 release but totally failed to spot a matching update for my panelDue.

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            dc42 administrators
            last edited by 14 Jan 2018, 11:17

            Cool down power off wait is already implemented, see https://duet3d.com/wiki/G-code#M81:_ATX_Power_Off.

            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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              veng1
              last edited by 15 Jan 2018, 04:24

              @dc42:

              @veng1:

              Use StallGuard to tune motors for maximum speed and acceleration.

              StallGuard won't tell you the maximum speed you can achieve, but you can work it out using the spreadsheet linked to from https://duet3d.com/wiki/Choosing_stepper_motors#How_to_work_out_the_power_supply_voltage_you_need.

              I am not sure that StallGuard can tell you the maximum accelerations available either, because what it actually detects is increasing slip angle between the ideal motor position and actual motor position. This slip angle increases with motor load. So it can warn you when the load increases to a value that is close to the maximum value before stalling, but only if you calibrate that value first.

              If enough users participated, I guess we could build up a database of recommended stallgard settings for various stepper motor models.

              I was thinking of a serpentine pattern that gradually increased speed and or acceleration until Stallguard indicated that the motor was slipping and then back off a little. In the past when I needed to tune steppers for dot matrix printers is was very much cut and try. I envision a process somewhat akin to tuning a PID loop where the intent is to converge as fast as possible without overshoot.

              Admittedly, everything is easy if you don't have to do it yourself.

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                coleman.joe
                last edited by 15 Jan 2018, 19:02

                5
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                  dc42 administrators
                  last edited by 15 Jan 2018, 21:45

                  The problem is, Stallguard doesn't really tell you that the motor is slipping. What it tells you is that the load is higher than the threshold you have configured.

                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                    veng1
                    last edited by 17 Jan 2018, 18:58

                    Oh. Clearly, I need to read the data sheet.

                    Maybe an accelerometer is what I should be thinking about.

                    Prusa claims some high print and move speeds. I had assumed they used StallGuard for their tuning but maybe they just raised the threshold until it stopped working, perhaps with an accelerometer to tell them it was skipping, and then backed it off. Or maybe it's just not a useful number that they claim.

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                      dc42 administrators
                      last edited by 17 Jan 2018, 21:16

                      Prusa will have done tests to establish how high the stallguard reading can safely get before the motor starts skipping steps, so they know what stallguard threshold to set to detect skipped steps in normal operation. It's unlikely that they used stallguard to do that testing.

                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                        SputnikOC3d
                        last edited by 23 Feb 2018, 20:26

                        5 , 6, 7, 10 ,17

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                          SputnikOC3d
                          last edited by 23 Feb 2018, 20:29

                          @Yonkiman:

                          Two suggestions, one to improve Z probing accuracy, the other to improve mesh bed leveling (background is here: https://www.duet3d.com/forum/thread.php?pid=32725).

                          • A new option for G30 single-point probe commands to probe multiple points and average them to generate the final height for (X,Y). Ideally you'd add NUMBER_OF_POINTS and RADIUS to the probe command, and G30 would then probe that number of points around the given (X,Y), as well as (X,Y) itself. (Since I'm wishing, let's consider an additional option to apply a median filter to this before averaging and/or throw out the lowest and highest measurements.) I think this would increase the accuracy and repeatability of Z probes regardless of what kind of probe you're using.

                          • The ability to apply a median filter to heightmap.csv to eliminate outliers (incorrect probe heights). This could prevent one or more bad points from distorting the bed map.

                          Yes for this … doing the averaging manually and spreadsheets for the BL Touch ... repeat-ability ? mehhhh ....

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                            DjDemonD
                            last edited by 23 Feb 2018, 21:05

                            Veng1 Prusa have it easy in this regard they're using one carefully chosen motor and optimising it. But print a tower and just bump acceleration up every 5mm, then another for jerk. You'll soon see how far you can go.

                            Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                            www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                            PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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                              Qdeathstar
                              last edited by 24 Feb 2018, 13:15

                              18, 7, 1

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                                nebulus7
                                last edited by 24 Feb 2018, 14:01

                                1, 2, 6, 17

                                Additionally, the integration of something like this into the web interface would be awesome, to give accurate print time estimates and statistical info about the print job: http://www.gcodeanalyser.com/

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                                  dc42 administrators
                                  last edited by 24 Feb 2018, 14:05

                                  @nebulus7:

                                  Additionally, the integration of something like this into the web interface would be awesome, to give accurate print time estimates and statistical info about the print job: http://www.gcodeanalyser.com/

                                  Please request that in the DWC Wishlist section.

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    DarrenAnton
                                    last edited by 25 Feb 2018, 03:03

                                    6. Live monitoring of TMC2660 driver status and reporting of problems (e.g. overheat warning).

                                    1. Reworked WiFi server code, including configuration using files on the SD card, automatic retry if the connection is lost, live reporting of signal strength and status, more reliable support of multiple concurrent connections, and optional FTP and Telnet support.

                                    2. Better network security, including SSL if it can be made to work fast enough. Requires most of #1 in this list as a prerequisite.

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                                      dc42 administrators
                                      last edited by 25 Feb 2018, 08:33

                                      #6 is already implemented.

                                      #1 is mostly implemented. You can read the network status via M552 and the signal strength via M122. FTP and Telnet are supported.

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                        cgcafer
                                        last edited by 25 Feb 2018, 16:12

                                        Hi, My order depends on priority

                                        6. Live monitoring of TMC2660 driver status and reporting of problems (e.g. overheat warning).
                                        14. Support for powering off during a print, then resuming it when the printer is powered up again.
                                        5. True bed levelling using 2, 3 or possibly 4 independently-driven Z motors and a Z probe.
                                        11. Better support for laser cutters. AND/OR 12. Better support for CNC machines.
                                        16. Feed-forward temperature control to predict the effect of turning the print cooling fan on or increasing the extrusion rate, and therefore reduce the temperature fluctuation.

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                                          dc42 administrators
                                          last edited by 25 Feb 2018, 17:56

                                          #6 already done
                                          #14 already done
                                          #5 already done
                                          #11 some progress made: M3/M4/M5/M450/M451/M452/M453/G53-G59.3 implemented
                                          #16 not started

                                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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