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    mhackney
    last edited by 11 Jul 2016, 20:12

    David, I posted this on another thread here but I think I discovered the problem was my network:

    This is interesting, using some network monitoring tools and the admin console for my Verizon Quantum router I discovered that I had a few odd things going on on my network. Several devices which I could not identify were issuing a lot of packets and that seemed to be causing timeouts. Also, the Windows laptop that I VPN in into work was chewing up a lot of bandwidth. The Quantum router supports dual frequency but none of my devices were connecting the the 5GHz. So I created a new SSID for 5GHz and connect my lap worktop to it. Now, I haven't had a single disconnect in several hours from the Duet WiFi! And the Wireshark logs looks clean as a whistle.

    However, to answer your question - after the disconnect, my router status page shows the Duet WiFi as disconnected. It was precisely because I was looking at the status page that led me to see the odd activity on my network as I worked through identifying each of the 28 devices connected! They add up quickly.

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      mhackney
      last edited by 11 Jul 2016, 20:35

      David, I have now updated to the latest package of files (1.15-b3 etc) and things are quite stable.

      I aslo tested the DWC.bin that I built with the shell script I wrote and it works fine too. I think you can include it for further testing. I put a copy on my dropbox here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45673517/dwcspiffs.sh

      cheers,
      Michael

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        dc42 administrators
        last edited by 11 Jul 2016, 22:35

        I'm glad you solved it. I think I mentioned before in one of these threads that once the Duet becomes disconnected form the access point, it doesn't attempt to reconnect. That's why you had to stop and restart the wifi module in order to connect again. In the next release I'll add support for monitoring the connection status and attempt to re-connect if it becomes disconnected.

        Thanks for the build script, I've added it t github.

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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          mhackney
          last edited by 11 Jul 2016, 23:54

          Great, thanks David.

          I'm commissioning one of your IR probes on this Rostock Max with the Duet WiFi. I can do head to head comparisons with the FSRs. But I've been chasing an issue with FSRs on this machine as I described in an email I sent a few days ago.

          Like all things, there are tradeoffs. I like the simplicity of mounting FSRs and the fact that the nozzle tip is the probe, but the downside is the "force".

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            dc42 administrators
            last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 00:16

            The important things to achieve when not using the nozzle as the probe are:

            1. Reduce varying effector tilt with XY position as far as possible, because such tilt changes the relative heights of the nozzle and the probe. I now have a bulls eye spirit level mounted on the effector so that I can see any tilt.

            2. Mount the probe as close to the nozzle as is safe and practical to do so, to minimise the effect of that tilt. That's why I made the IR sensor shallow enough to fit below the heatsink of an E3Dv6 hot end.

            Probing with the nozzle itself has the advantage of not being affected by effector tilt - although effector tilt is a sign of geometrical errors that will cause calibration inaccuracies anyway. But I'm not sure I would want to probe my PEI-covered bed with a hot nozzle.

            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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              mhackney
              last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 01:20

              I'm almost done with my mount. I have a very non-standard setup with a CNCd effector and a modified E3D V6 that is water cooled and fitted with a Volcano. My mount is adjustable both up & down and in & out so I can dial in the position to optimize it. I'll post some photos once I have it complete.

              Do you find the bulls eye spirit level is sensitive enough to show tilt?

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                dc42 administrators
                last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 06:49

                The bulls eye spirit level was sensitive enough to reveal a tilt when the effector was close to one of the towers. The rods are accurately made to equal lengths, so I corrected it by rotating the carriage on the carriage truck.

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                  mhackney
                  last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 12:04

                  Here's the IR Probe mount I made for the TrickLaser MetalMax effector along with my custom water cooled E3D V6 hotend and volcano. The clearances look closer in the photos, I'll put Kapton tape on the backside of the board t be safe but I think I'm ok. The mounting system can slide up and down (slots in the printed red mount) and forward back (a slot in the mounting ear on the red mount) so I can fine adjust the probe position.

                  Next step is to wire it up to the Duet WiFi and get it running.

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                    dc42 administrators
                    last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 13:47

                    It looks like you could trim the component wire stubs on the back of the board a little more.

                    One concern I have with that cantilevered sensor mount is that the plastic part only needs to soften and warp very slightly to change the relative heights of the sensor and the nozzle.

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                      mhackney
                      last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 16:48

                      Thanks David, yes I did that and then Kapton tape. I'l keep an eye on the plastic part. It is mounted to aluminum - a big heat sink and it is very far away from the heater. Worse case I'll machine one in aluminum but I wanted to try this out quickly.

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                        mhackney
                        last edited by 7 Dec 2016, 19:03 12 Jul 2016, 19:01

                        David, I seem to be missing something trying to setup the IR probe. I followed the instructions on your blog. That all went well. https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com/mini-height-sensor-board/

                        When I get to the part to test and configure the probe I do as you say:

                        heat the nozzle (and bed)
                        home
                        lower the head until the nozzle touches the bed (paper test)
                        issue G92 Z0 (and I see Z set to 0 in DWC)
                        raise head 5mm
                        issue G30 S1
                        the Z value I read off in DWC is 1.0mm

                        I use this value to update my config.g:

                        M558 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 H5 F500 T12000
                        G31 P400 Z1.0

                        And reload config.g when asked.

                        Now, I home and run auto calibrate. When done, it seems like my Z=0 is set about 1mm above the bed. What am I missing?

                        FYI: bed is PrintBite

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                          dc42 administrators
                          last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 20:15

                          Micheal, it's G30 S-1 you need to run to measuring the trigger height, not G30 S1.

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                            mhackney
                            last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 20:26

                            Thanks David! Literally, in my browser looking at https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com/mini-height-sensor-board/ I see:

                            define that position as Z=0. Raise the head 5mm and remove the paper. Then send G30 S-
                            1 to probe the bed at that point without adjusting the Z height setting. Read off the Z
                            height and use that value for the Z parameter in your G31 command in config.g. Please

                            I guess my mind saw the "-" and figured it was a continuation to the next line.

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                              dc42 administrators
                              last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 20:31

                              Thanks for pointing this out. I just checked, and I see exactly the same. I'll re-word the paragraph to prevent the text wrapping at that point. [Edit: I just did that.]

                              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                mhackney
                                last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 20:49

                                Minor thing but those of us with bifocals appreciate it!

                                Things are working well now. Starting to do some more complicated printing. So far so good. The steppers are much much quieter.

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                                  bot
                                  last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 21:11

                                  Please tell us how you like the printbite compared to pei!

                                  *not actually a robot

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                                    mhackney
                                    last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 21:19

                                    They are different beasts @bot. I still prefer (and only use) PEI for my production fly fishing reels as it leaves a perfect matte finish. PrintBite leaves a textured finish. But, PrintBite works with a wide variety of materials that PEI doesn't (PEI is really restricted to ABS, PLA and HIPS) like Nylon, NinjaFlex, PET, PVA. If you don't have a preference for the surface finish, it is good stuff.

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                                      mhackney
                                      last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 21:46

                                      By the way, no network disconnects for over 24 hrs.

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                                      Coming this summer: "3D Printing Strategies - the art of perfecting your designs and prints"

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                                        dc42 administrators
                                        last edited by 12 Jul 2016, 22:30

                                        @mhackney:

                                        By the way, no network disconnects for over 24 hrs.

                                        Thanks for the update! For those who were getting just occasional network disconnects, the single retry I added for status poll requests should fix that. Using the default Ajax timeout of 8 seconds, I find that the retry can generally handle the board being reset too..

                                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                          mhackney
                                          last edited by 13 Jul 2016, 20:58

                                          David, I have finished making a suitable PEI bed to use with the IR probe following the instructions on your blog (painted back side, bake in oven). I then recalibrate the probe and that seemed to go well. But…

                                          My calibration is bad (typical deviation of 0.086) but very good when I switch over to my FSRs (I have them both installed so it is very easy to change from FSR to IR Probing) it is pretty good (deviation 0.45) although not as good as I'd like.

                                          Some questions...
                                          I scuff the surface of my PEI with very fine sandpaper (600 grit) to leave a matte finish on my parts. I installed this PEI with the original glossy side up (painted the matte side as per your instructions) and then scuffed the top. Do you think this would have any effect on the sensor? I wouldn't think so if PEI is IR transparent.

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