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    Moriquendi @mikebridge
    last edited by 22 Nov 2018, 09:13

    @mikebridge The sensor responds to changes in pressure rather than total pressure. It makes no difference whether the change in pressure is positive or negative except that the polarity of the signal is inverted so you plug the Andromeda in the other way around.

    Idris

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      SupraGuy
      last edited by 22 Nov 2018, 15:29

      Or flip the board over. So long as the wingnut isn't shorting out circuitry, that is.

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        Moriquendi @SupraGuy
        last edited by 22 Nov 2018, 15:35

        @supraguy Oh yeah... that's a much better idea 👍

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          mikebridge @Moriquendi
          last edited by 23 Nov 2018, 04:38

          @moriquendi phenomenal. How do they deal with low temperatures? Moved my coreXY into the garage to start getting the baby's future room ready and dc42's IR probe doesn't seem to like the near freezing temperatures with the PEI surface.

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            dc42 administrators @mikebridge
            last edited by dc42 23 Nov 2018, 09:39

            @mikebridge said in Precision Piezo Andromeda:

            ...dc42's IR probe doesn't seem to like the near freezing temperatures with the PEI surface

            That's probably because you are getting condensation on the surface, coupled with the fact that PEI is transparent to IR. Wiping the surface first to remove condensation may help. However, a piezo offers potentially better probing accuracy then the IR sensor can give using PEI as the target.

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              A Former User @mikebridge
              last edited by 23 Nov 2018, 10:35

              @mikebridge said in Precision Piezo Andromeda:

              @moriquendi phenomenal. How do they deal with low temperatures? Moved my coreXY into the garage to start getting the baby's future room ready and dc42's IR probe doesn't seem to like the near freezing temperatures with the PEI surface.

              Sorry I cant resist, If I ever needed a reminder why i have a cat this is it.... good luck with the printer in the cold environment, maybe a heater will help.

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                mikebridge @A Former User
                last edited by 23 Nov 2018, 13:58

                @calvinx oh, we have cats too (thus why all our 3d printers have enclosures), and I told my wife I have a rule of "we can't have more pets than persons living in the house", but she's pregnant now, so we're up to 3 cats and she keeps mentioning wanting a dog too...

                @dc42 it was triggering fine against the PEI indoors (the back of the PEI is painted w/ high-temp black paint), and there's no noticeable condensation on the surface, similar error when the bed is cold or hot. perhaps something shifted when it was moved to the garage, I'll check that today.

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                  Moriquendi @mikebridge
                  last edited by 23 Nov 2018, 15:29

                  @mikebridge

                  Piezo sensors have no issues with the kind of temperatures you're likely to encounter in a garage. What you do have to be aware of is that the responsiveness does change with temperature. If you tune the system when everything's cold and then probe when it's been sitting with a hot bed for long enough for for the piezos to warm up you may see different results.

                  Idris

                  PS, Dogs are persons, just FYI.

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                    SupraGuy
                    last edited by 23 Nov 2018, 15:54

                    My experience is this:

                    The piezo sensors like consistent temperatures. A change of more than about 10 deg C up or down will change how the system responds. It's getting cold here, and with the drop in temperature, I find that I need to use a space heater to keep the temperature around the printer more consistent in order not to need to make adjustments, which I'd rather avoid. My printer is in the attic, and in the summer, it's mid to upper 20s up there. In the winter, it's in the middle teens, and my last print I had my first false trigger with the Andromeda. I turned on a space heater and re-started everything when it got to 22 degrees up there, and everything was great. I assume that I could have readjusted the trigger threshhold on the board, but I want to avoid making those adjustments if at all possible. Besides, cooler air temperatures are likely to change the printing characteristics of the extruded plastic, too, so keeping a consistent temperature for use is a good thing.

                    If your printer is enclosed, and you are keeping a consistent temperature for printing anyway, I can say that I have noticed no ill effects from the Andromeda boards being stored in low temperatures, but I think the coldest that I might have tried to use it would be maybe 14°C

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                      mikebridge @dc42
                      last edited by 21 Dec 2018, 15:33

                      @dc42 turns out the glass cracked under the PEI sheet and that was causing the inconsistent readings. replaced w/ a geckotek spring steel build plate (see my other thread on the high temp magnetic sheet if people want more info) and my readings are very consistent now.

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