Delta Smart Effector hotend temperature fluctuations

[dc42]

@mihaitintea said in Delta Smart Effector hotend temperature fluctuations:

Are there any recommendations for wire management for PT100 ? This H1 fault not only happens when I slip my hand recklessly in the middle of the printing process but also it happens when I am otherwise busy and although I'm physically meters away from the printer, the printhead rams into some accumulated filament oozing, Or, some giant fly or wasp flies nearby and interferes with my PT100's wires.

I said before, you should connect both the printer frame and the negative output of the PSU to ground. Otherwise the PT100 cartridge and wires may pick up all kinds of noise from the metal parts of the printer.

[mihaitintea]

@dc42 Hello

I am still struggling to understand the specific applied science behind connecting the PSU's 24V GND to mains earth, but I've managed though to reduce the number of H1 Faults "out-of-the-blue" no none, just by keeping the X, Y, Z and E0 motors' wires as far away from anything else as possible, especially away from PT100's wires.

I still cannot remember having any H1 faults on my old delta which was using thermistor for hotend. Maybe the PT100 could be persuated in config.g to be less sensitive ? If so, then how ?

Regards,
M

[mihaitintea]

Hi

After more than10 failed-and-resumed printing sessions of the same object (same object, needed to be printed 3 times. The 2 previous prints finished eventually, but the third copy seems to be needing Skynet approval)

I am getting those PT100 fluctuations, out of the blue:

Ths happens after 2 hours of solid non-stop printing of the same object. Since 2h1min forward. so to say, I got those PT100 fluctuations.

What should I do to get my objects printed, anything than printing them in slices and sticking then together with acetone/glue ?

Regards
M

[dc42]

@mihaitintea said in Delta Smart Effector hotend temperature fluctuations:

I am still struggling to understand the specific applied science behind connecting the PSU's 24V GND to mains earth

The reason is that there is leakage between the high voltage switching on the primary side of the PSU and it case (which you have probably connected to the frame of your printer). Also between then primary side and the negative output rail, which is "ground" for the Duet. As a result, your frame of your printer and Duet "ground" are likely to be at different potentials. So any wires running close to metal parts of the frame are likely to pick up interference. Similarly, the PT100 cartridge may pick up interference from its case, which is connected to the hot end metalwork and perhaps from there to the frame.

[mihaitintea]

The coating on my delta printer's frame segments does not conduct electricity, at least this is what my multimeter says.

The chassis of the X, Y, Z and E0 stepper motors are physically connected to mains earth (I've taken advice from this forum) --- assuming the GT2 belt generates some Coulombs which could generate confusion in the PT100-PT100 daughterboard-Duet2board chain.

I can't figure out a reasonable explanation for the fact that repeated H1 heater faults (4 or 5 in a row, when the Sun is not even visible at the horizon, so apparently there should not be any Sun flares) started after the first 2 hours of error-free printing.

[mihaitintea]

This is in the 2-3 minutes right after last forum post. It looks like it is related to the nozzle tip ramming into some filament blobs (caused by imperfect filament flow, or variable filament quality)

I reset those H1 faults but it seems that every print session could be done only by manual human intervention every 5-10 minutes or so. Unless there is a way to lower the sensitivity which consists of the Delta Smart Effector board + the PT100 daughterboard + the PT100 sensor.

I am sure that the Duet firmware was designed to aid me to face the fire hazard -- who knows why a heater fault may occur ? -- but I see an additional reason for which all those "alien" heater H1 faults appear: the filament may not cost a ton of gold per spool. Which is perfectly the situation of 99.99 % of of the customers which buy the Duet board and the Delta Smart Effector.

That is why I need a way to tell the Duet board to ignore H1 heater faults unless those faults are 50% of the requested printing temperature, or worse.

Is there such a method to lower that PT100 chain sensitivity?

Thanks

[mihaitintea]

Hello

There were no solar flares yesterday. The problem is that the nozzle of the Delta Smart Effector hits various micro-obstacles on the printed object. Since the existence of those micro-obstacles cannot be avoided, we need to "deafen" the PT100.

I believe the sensitivity of the PT100 mechanism can be lowered with one or two ceramic capacitors. However I am not sure how it would be best:

a) One single capacitor between the two middle pins of the four pins at the PT100 daughterboard level ? (My PT100 sensor is 2-wire)

b) One single capacitor between the two PT100 pins on the Delta Smart Effector at the Delta Smart Effector pcb level ?

c) Two capacitors on the PT100 daughterboard: first capacitor between one middle PT100 pin and the daughterboard's GND, and the second capacitor between the other middle PT100 pin and the daughterboard's GND ?

Please can you tell which variant you think would be best, and if the 10 nF capacity is OK for the variant thought as best ?

Thank you

[Adrian52]

@mihaitintea I have been using the pt100/smart effector combination without problems. Following an earlier suggestion, I use stranded cat6 cable - two pairs for the pt100 and two pairs for the z probe. I did find the small connectors on the daughterboard a bit tricky (eyes not what they used to be) - maybe worth checking.

[dc42]

@mihaitintea said in Delta Smart Effector hotend temperature fluctuations:

Hello

There were no solar flares yesterday. The problem is that the nozzle of the Delta Smart Effector hits various micro-obstacles on the printed object. Since the existence of those micro-obstacles cannot be avoided, we need to "deafen" the PT100.

I believe the sensitivity of the PT100 mechanism can be lowered with one or two ceramic capacitors. However I am not sure how it would be best:

a) One single capacitor between the two middle pins of the four pins at the PT100 daughterboard level ? (My PT100 sensor is 2-wire)

b) One single capacitor between the two PT100 pins on the Delta Smart Effector at the Delta Smart Effector pcb level ?

c) Two capacitors on the PT100 daughterboard: first capacitor between one middle PT100 pin and the daughterboard's GND, and the second capacitor between the other middle PT100 pin and the daughterboard's GND ?

Please can you tell which variant you think would be best, and if the 10 nF capacity is OK for the variant thought as best ?

Thank you

I have already recommended option C on this forum. The recommended value is 100nF. I have verified that this fixes problems caused by noise being picked up from stepper motor cables etc. There is already a capacitor connected between the two middle pins.

Two other possibilities:

1. Grounding the hot end metalwork (so that the case of the PT100 sensor is grounded) may help.
2. If it is mechanical shock to the sensor that causes the fluctuations, the PT100 sensor may be faulty.

[mihaitintea]

@dc42 Hello

I applied option C, I just hope I identified correctly the GND on the PT100 daughterboard, please can you confirm from the picture below ?

Thank you