PT100 temp questionable

Carlo

@Carlo
Cheers DC
put 100 in shows 3.9c
put 220 in shows 324.5c bang on ish.0011100 something.
I'm just thrown by printing that very roll of PLA at 195c on my other printer and this one previously always at 210c and it would ooze at that now having to up it to 290c and ideally it needs to be a little hotter even

Carlo

@dc42 it was the heater block but didn't expect over 100c error tbf using the ir

Carlo

@Carlo

Hi,

Is it possible the temps are being displayed wrong as I have fitted 3 Pt100 cartridges from e3d plus a new daughter board and pt1000 and 104 thermistor all with 22awg silicone wire which I cant print pla with the e3d 104 as I cant raise the temps above 285c and the pla is not molten I've re crimped the cabling used the cabling that came from e3d swapped pt100 boards but always the same results
At ambient the hotend steadily rises in temp while the bed doesn't and that's all the sensor types board combo's
Also (not important) there is a spelling mistake in the following:
Error: M303: heater 1 target temperature must be no hiher than the temperature limit for this heater (285.0C)

I'm just seem to be going round in circles?
What can I test check next?

Cheers
C

dc42

On your hot end, is there definitely a gap of several mm between the top of the heater block and the bottom of the heatsink?

Carlo

@dc42

Hi DC it is definitely setup properly

all freshly redone new heater, sensor and crimps, daughter board new fans all E3D
and multiple of even replaced the bed with printbite+ and unless I crank it above 290 won't stick the perg line lifts when it move to print because its not hot enough I've redone my config every-time I swap the sensor tried titanium heat breaks coated copper heater block and standard break and block.
and currently the pla I need to crank heat up for is at 200c printing a zesty v2 adapter on my ender 3 3 feet away so it's not filament ...no doubt its me doing or not doing but I'm clearly not smart enough to figure it out.

dc42

Does the PT100 read correctly at room temperature?

Carlo

@dc42
Max difference is 4c higher with PT100 but it creeps up I just put the resistor (just found it in the bubble wrap bag) that came with the board shows -0.9c to -1.1c
with e3d thermistor its more like 0.9c higher and it creeps up

Carlo

@Carlo

So I left it a few hours all powered off switched on and bed shows 27.2/3c hotend showed 32.5/6c now dropped to 30.2c
my ender bed and hotend are at 27.3/6c so not sure it is correct at room temp.

Cheers
C

dc42

So you possibly have an error of around 3C at room temperature. I presume that's due to you using a 2-wire connection and having some resistance in the wiring or the connections.

It's possible that the resistance of the connections is increasing at higher temperatures and causing a greater error, but I think it's unlikely. The fact that you have tried a PT1000, thermistor and PT100 and all have the same problem suggests that the temperature at the sensor really is that high.

The PT100+daughter board uses the ADC built into the MAX31865 chip, whereas the PT1000 and thermistor use the ADC in the Duet main processor. The conversion from sensor reading to temperature is done by different parts of the firmware too. So there is no hardware or firmware fault I can think of that would similar degrees of over-reading with different sensors.

Maybe it's a cooling issue, i.e. too much cooling air blowing over the nozzle? With the print cooling fan turned off, what temperature do you need to extrude and print?

Carlo

@dc42

Hi DC,

I'm not running part cooling but if I put part cooling on directed at the sensor having taken it out of the block or in the block temp doesn't change well doesn't go down?
I've run 4 wires now no change.

I thought maybe interference from the other cabling so I ran wires outside the frame and over the top made no difference when its extruding @280c you can tell its not molten with no fan on its should be rubbery for a few seconds when I print the purge line you can tell it's not hot enough it doesn't leave that flat blob as it move to start the print it lifts it back up its not hot enough to stick so I guess I can put the 2 Ethernet back in.
Just off topic was the DWC freezing after righting to console fixed in 3.1.1 when connected to Pi or still to be fixed ?

Cheers
C

dc42

@Carlo said in PT100 temp questionable:

I've run 4 wires now no change.

I would expect using 4 wires to have reduced the approx. 3C over reading you were getting at room temperature.

Please can you temporarily remove the silicone sock from the heater block and paste a few more photos of the hot end taken from different angles.

Carlo

@dc42

Here we go.

Cheers
C

dc42

Thanks. I can't see anything wrong.

What size is the nozzle supposed to be, and are you certain that it really is that size? Have you tried replacing it?

Carlo

@dc42

Hi DC,

That one is a Nozzle X E3D 0.4 it has 3 dots and yeah I have a E3D 0.4 brass see below.

Cheers
C

dc42

So you have two effectors/hot ends. Do you have the same issue of needing a very high temperature to melt PLA with both of them?

Have you tried heating the hot end to e.g. 220C with the Bowden tube disconnected and then trying to push the filament through by hand? In case the real problem is a weak extruder drive.

PS - if you have a multimeter with a fine thermocouple attachment, you can feed the thermocouple into the heat break and down into the nozzle to get an independent reading of the temperature.

Carlo

@dc42

Yeah so just done that now I'm almost snapping the filament @220c but it does go through.
after changing the wiring I haven't tried a print so I'll try one now see how it goes maybe the temps are better at normal print temps now.

Cheers
C

dc42

Do you have this problem with both hot ends? The theory I was formulating was that you have a partial nozzle blockage, needing a high temperature to overcome it.

Carlo

@dc42

Hi DC,

Yeah no difference between the 2.... having a bit of another issue where my machine is bouncing the carriages of the Endstops even though they are triggering ? And keep getting changing tool and can’t do anything until that goes to idle unless I hit Estop though nothing has changed in my config from earlier so I’ll give it go over tomorrow morning and try a print at normal temps out of interest I know you have used the printbite what bed temp have you used for PLA lower than usual?

dc42

I run the bed heater at 70C for PLA, however I know there is a drop of about 10C across the 4mm glass + PrintBite, so that actual bed surface temperature is more like 60C.

Carlo

@dc42

So after a few odd things going on last night couldn't find anything obvious in the wiring...but the temp for the hotend is now exactly the same as the ender 3 hot end and bed which is 0.5/6c of this bed ? now I never touched the daughter board just the endstop plugs to see if there was a loose connection which there doesn't appear to be though I was tugging on the board so not sure whats going on ...not that I did previously..possible there is a poor solder joint ? cant see anything obvious.

Yesterday evening

This morning

I'll just see if that changes over time

Thanks for your help much appreciated.
C