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    • Nurgelrotundefined
      Nurgelrot @fcwilt
      last edited by Nurgelrot

      @fcwilt So running test probe in the middle of the bed (where Zoffset s calculated and Z=0 is set) gives me constant results.

      9/25/2021, 9:38:35 AM	G32 bed probe heights: -0.002 -0.001 -0.003 -0.001 -0.001 -0.002 -0.001, mean -0.001, deviation from mean 0.001
9/25/2021, 9:37:41 AM	G32 bed probe heights: -0.002 -0.002 -0.003 -0.003 -0.002 -0.002 -0.001, mean -0.002, deviation from mean 0.001
9/25/2021, 9:36:48 AM	G32 bed probe heights: -0.003 -0.002 -0.002 -0.003 -0.001 -0.003 -0.001, mean -0.002, deviation from mean 0.001
9/25/2021, 9:35:37 AM	G32 bed probe heights: -0.001 -0.001 -0.002 -0.003 -0.001 -0.003 0.001, mean -0.001, deviation from mean 0.001
9/25/2021, 9:34:39 AM	G32 bed probe heights: -0.001 -0.002 -0.001 -0.002 -0.003 -0.002 0.001, mean -0.001, deviation from mean 0.001

      not as good if Imove it to run over the front left bed screw (with z=0 still calculated from center):

      9/25/2021, 9:23:28 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.067 0.072 0.069 0.071 0.071 0.071 0.072, mean 0.070, deviation from mean 0.002
9/25/2021, 9:19:38 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.071 0.068 0.064 0.069 0.072 0.061 0.077, mean 0.069, deviation from mean 0.005
9/25/2021, 9:17:31 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.069 0.071 0.071 0.068 0.068 0.071 0.069, mean 0.069, deviation from mean 0.001
9/25/2021, 9:16:27 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.071 0.069 0.078 0.071 0.069 0.068 0.071, mean 0.071, deviation from mean 0.003
9/25/2021, 9:15:09 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.068 0.067 0.067 0.059 0.074 0.068 0.062, mean 0.066, deviation from mean 0.004

      As you can see this thin bed has a sag from the leveling screws to the center. which is why I like to use a mesh.

      But was going on here this is at the left front leveling screw again and it just drifted down as i ran them

      9/25/2021, 9:04:38 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.043 0.047 0.072 0.069 0.069 0.072 0.072, mean 0.063, deviation from mean 0.012
9/25/2021, 8:57:31 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.007 0.014 0.014 0.012 0.013 0.012 0.012, mean 0.012, deviation from mean 0.002
9/25/2021, 8:56:00 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.004 -0.001 0.003 0.002 -0.002 -0.001 -0.003, mean 0.000, deviation from mean 0.003
9/25/2021, 8:55:01 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.012 0.011 0.014 0.011 0.006 0.007 0.006, mean 0.009, deviation from mean 0.003
9/25/2021, 8:51:14 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.018 0.017 0.016 0.019 0.017 0.023 0.016, mean 0.018, deviation from mean 0.002
9/25/2021, 8:50:21 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.017 0.019 0.016 0.019 0.018 0.021 0.022, mean 0.019, deviation from mean 0.002
9/25/2021, 8:49:09 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.022 0.021 0.023 0.017 0.018 0.017 0.026, mean 0.020, deviation from mean 0.003
9/25/2021, 8:47:44 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.076 0.077 0.077 0.077 0.079 0.076 0.076, mean 0.077, deviation from mean 0.001
9/25/2021, 8:46:02 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.076 0.066 0.083 0.083 0.072 0.074 0.081, mean 0.076, deviation from mean 0.006

      As you can see from the times I actually ran the prob over the bed adjustment screw first. was really confused until the coffee kicked in and I probed over Home. to see the Touch was actually accurate. (except for that odd bit with the decreasing height that I havent been able to reproduce)

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      • fcwiltundefined
        fcwilt @Nurgelrot
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        @nurgelrot

        I was just about to respond to your post with the test results and they are gone.

        I ran that test on one of my printers six times and the results were consistent.

        The mean values ranged from -0.002 to 0.004 and the deviation was always 0.003.

        Frederick

        Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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        • Nurgelrotundefined
          Nurgelrot @fcwilt
          last edited by

          @fcwilt yeah irealised i was looking at the data all wrong so I changed the post sorry

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          • fcwiltundefined
            fcwilt @Nurgelrot
            last edited by

            @nurgelrot said in Why are my Heightmaps always too high?:

            @fcwilt yeah irealised i was looking at the data all wrong so I changed the post sorry

            Well the results at bed center look just fine.

            The readings from the corner which kept changing are strange.

            Is the Z axis on your printer moving the bed or the gantry?

            Frederick

            Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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            • Nurgelrotundefined
              Nurgelrot @fcwilt
              last edited by Nurgelrot

              @fcwilt This one started out life as an Ender5+ so its a moving Z bed on 2 independent screws.

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              • Nurgelrotundefined
                Nurgelrot @fcwilt
                last edited by

                @fcwilt So what should I be doing to clear out the probe -- Something very wrong is happening at least to the way Im thinking.

                I would think I could probe the Middle then the Front Left and them the Middle again and since we are not chaging any setting just reporting that it would be okay. but somplace data is being retained between probe runs. how do I need to clear this?

                Read it bottom to top
                Middle again

                9/25/2021, 10:10:34 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.063 0.062 0.062 0.059 0.062 0.062 0.061, mean 0.061, deviation from mean 0.001

                Front Left

                9/25/2021, 10:09:40 AM	G32 bed probe heights: 0.054 0.057 0.061 0.061 0.061 0.062 0.064, mean 0.060, deviation from mean 0.003

                Middle

                9/25/2021, 10:08:46 AM	G32 bed probe heights: -0.001 0.001 0.002 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.003, mean 0.001, deviation from mean 0.001
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                • Nurgelrotundefined
                  Nurgelrot @Nurgelrot
                  last edited by

                  @nurgelrot home Z each time?

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                  • fcwiltundefined
                    fcwilt @Nurgelrot
                    last edited by

                    @nurgelrot said in Why are my Heightmaps always too high?:

                    @fcwilt This one started out life as an Ender5+ so its a moving Z bed on 2 independent screws.

                    Without being able to examine your printer I'm just guessing here but one possible problem is the Z axis guide rods.

                    I had some typical Chinese ones and they seemed OK until I compared them with higher quality ones I got from McMaster-Carr.

                    The MC bearings fit the rods with much less play compared to the Chinese ones.

                    So perhaps your bed guide rods also have too much play leading to variations in height away from the lead screws as the bed is moved up and down during probing.

                    It's a largish bed and any issues with the guide rods would be more noticeable near the edges of the bed.

                    Just a guess.

                    Frederick

                    Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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                    • fcwiltundefined
                      fcwilt @Nurgelrot
                      last edited by

                      @nurgelrot said in Why are my Heightmaps always too high?:

                      @nurgelrot home Z each time?

                      Well not homing, since I don't home with my printers with the Z probe, but I am setting the Z=0 datum at bed center as part of the test.

                      Frederick

                      Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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                      • Nurgelrotundefined
                        Nurgelrot @fcwilt
                        last edited by

                        @fcwilt It just something I'm doing wrong or not understanding in RRF. Marking it resolved for no since I'm sick of working on it. Klipper is on the printer right now and all the probes are exactly where they should be every time. Too bad I cant stand klipper 🙂

                        Thanks for your help with this I did learn a lot about how things work even if I didn't solve whatever is going on with this printer. (I have several other with no issues so who knows)

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