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    • martin7404undefined
      martin7404 @martin7404
      last edited by

      Happy to report in open loop it works as expected with the 2 HCL board
      Homing works from the first try with 3.6 beta 3
      Did not manage to test closed loop as my motors are 60 mm and the suitable screw is 80 mm M3 , that I did have only 1 pc left in the drawer. So tomorrow evening will be able to install encoders and test

      Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
      Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
      Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
      custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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      • martin7404undefined
        martin7404
        last edited by martin7404

        FAIL of the initial tuning
        So after yestarday everythig was set in open loop and working , homing etc.
        Today I remembered I have m3 treaded rods and managed to attach the first encoder
        I unloaded the stepper ( removed the belt) and hit the wall
        here is what I get

        1/20/2025, 5:05:29 PM	M569.6 P50.0 V3
        Error: M569.6: Driver 50.0 calibration failed (no reason available)
        1/20/2025, 5:00:24 PM	M569.6 P50.0 V2
        Error: M569.6: Driver 50.0 calibration failed, the measured motion was less than expected, measured counts/step is about 41.0
        Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: tuning/calibration failed
        1/20/2025, 4:59:51 PM	m17
        1/20/2025, 4:59:29 PM	M569.6 P50.0 V2
        Error: M569.6: Driver is not enabled
        1/20/2025, 4:59:05 PM	Upload of config.g successful after 0s
        

        Here is my config.g

        ; Configuration file for Duet 3 (firmware version 3)
        ; executed by the firmware on start-up
        ;
        ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.2.3 on Thu May 27 2021 13:17:12 GMT+0300 (Eastern European Summer Time)
        
        ; General preferences 
        G90                                                    ; send absolute coordinates...
        M83                                                    ; ...but relative extruder moves
        M550 P"CoreXY500"                                     ; set printer name
        M669 K1                                                ; select CoreXY mode
        
        ; Network
        M552 P192.168.1.27 S1                                       ; enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
        M586 P0 S1                                             ; enable HTTP
        M586 P1 S0                                             ; disable FTP
        M586 P2 S0                                             ; disable Telnet
        G4 S2   ;wait for expansion boards to start
        
        
        ; Drives
        M569.1 P50.0 T3 E1:2 R100 I0 D0 ; Configure the Duet 3 Expansion 1HCL board at CAN address 50 with a Duet 3 magnetic encoder, warn if 1 fullstep threshold exceeded, error if 2 full steps threshold exceeded.
        M569 P50.0 D4 S1 ;
        ;M569 P0.0 S1                                           ; physical drive 0.0 goes forwards
        M569 P0.1 S0                                    ; physical drive 0.1 goes forwards
        M569 P0.3 S0
        M569 P0.4 S1  
        M569 P0.5 S1                                           ; physical drive 0.2 goes forwards
        M569 P121.0 S1                                         ; physical drive 121.0 goes forwards
        M584 X50.0 Y0.1 Z0.3:0.4:0.5 E121.0                             ; set drive mapping
        M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1                                ; configure microstepping with interpolation
        M92 X160.00 Y160.00 Z8280.00 E395.70                      ; set steps per mm
        M350 X32 Y32 Z16 E16 I1
        M566 X300.00 Y300.00 Z50.00 E120.00                    ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
        M203 X12000.00 Y12000.00 Z150.00 E1200.00                ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
        M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z20.00 E500.00                    ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
        M906 X1700 Y1700 Z1000 E800 I30                           ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
        M84 S30                                                ; Set idle timeout
        
        ; Axis Limits
        M208 X-26 Y0 Z0 S1                                       ; set axis minima
        M208 X500 Y330 Z365 S0                                 ; set axis maxima
        
        ; Endstops
        M574 X1 S4                                             ; configure sensorless endstop for low end on X
        M574 Y1 S4                                             ; configure sensorless endstop for low end on Y
        M574 Z1 S2                                             ; configure Z-probe endstop for low end on Z
        ;M574 E1 S1
        ;Filament sensor BTT E1
        M591 D0 P2 C"io8.in" S1 ;configure BTT smart filament sensor
        ; Z-Probe
        M671 X-31.39:250:531.36 Y-18:433.3:-18 S10       ; Locations left, center, right   
        M558 P8 C"121.io2.in"  H3 F1000 T6000 A20 S0.005 ; PINDA set Z probe type to switch and the dive height + speeds
        ;M308 S2 P"121.temp1" A"PINDA" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950
        ;M950 H2 C"out1" T2                                 ; create nozzle heater output on 121.out0 and map it to sensor 1
        ;M307 H2 B0 S1.00                                       ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
        ;M141 H2
        ;M143 H2 S90                                           ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
        G31 P500 X30 Y0 Z1.48                            ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
        M557 X20:450 Y5:320 P5                             ; define mesh grid
        
        ; Heaters
        M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138           ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin temp0
        M950 H0 C"out0" T0 Q10                                     ; create bed heater output on out0 and map it to sensor 0
        M307 H0 B0 S1                                      ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
        M140 H0                                                ; map heated bed to heater 0
        M143 H0 S130                                          ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
        M308 S1 P"121.temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.060000e-8       ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin 121.temp0
        M950 H1 C"121.out0" T1                                 ; create nozzle heater output on 121.out0 and map it to sensor 1
        M307 H1 B0 S1.00                                       ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
        M143 H1 S290     ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
        
        M308 S2 A"Chamber" P"temp2" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8
        M950 H2 C"out2" T2                                 ; create nozzle heater output on 121.out0 and map it to sensor 1
        M307 H2 R0.001 A11 C99999 D4000 B1   ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
        M141 H2
        M143 H2 S70
        
        ; Fans
        M950 F0 C"121.out1"                               ; create fan 0 on pin 121.out1 and set its frequency
        M106 P0 S0 B0.5 H-1                                         ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
        M950 F1 C"121.out2" Q500                               ; create fan 1 on pin 121.out2 and set its frequency
        M106 P1 S1 H1 T45                                      ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
        
        ; Tools
        M563 P0 D0 H1 F0                                       ; define tool 0
        G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z-0.15                                        ; set tool 0 axis offsets
        G10 P0 R0 S0                                           ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
        
        ; Custom settings are not defined
        M955 P121.0 I05 ;Accelerometer on Toolboard
        ; Miscellaneous
        M575 P1 S1 B57600                                      ; enable support for PanelDue
        M572 D0 S0.045 ; PA for ABS GD filament 0.4 nozzle
        M501                                                   ; load saved parameters from non-volatile memory
        M911 S22.5 R23.5 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000" ; set voltage thresholds and actions to run on power loss
        
        
        

        and here are diagnostics right after the error
        system

        	m122
        === Diagnostics ===
        RepRapFirmware for Duet 3 MB6HC version 3.6.0-beta.3 (2025-01-16 19:09:36) running on Duet 3 MB6HC v1.01 (standalone mode)
        Board ID: 08DJM-9P63L-DJMSS-6JKDA-3S86L-1BDB9
        Used output buffers: 1 of 40 (21 max)
        === RTOS ===
        Static ram: 136892
        Dynamic ram: 127588 of which 16 recycled
        Never used RAM 79560, free system stack 200 words
        Tasks: NETWORK(1,ready,28.2%,175) ETHERNET(5,nWait 7,0.1%,316) HEAT(3,nWait 6,0.0%,347) Move(4,nWait 6,0.0%,333) TMC(4,nWait 6,3.1%,375) CanReceiv(6,nWait 1,0.0%,794) CanSender(5,nWait 7,0.0%,334) CanClock(7,delaying,0.0%,350) MAIN(1,running,68.5%,103) IDLE(0,ready,0.0%,29) USBD(3,blocked,0.0%,149), total 100.0%
        Owned mutexes:
        === Platform ===
        Last reset 00:14:48 ago, cause: software
        Last software reset at 2025-01-20 16:59, reason: User, Gcodes spinning, available RAM 78828, slot 2
        Software reset code 0x0003 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x00400000 BFAR 0x00000000 SP 0x00000000 Task MAIN Freestk 0 n/a
        Error status: 0x00
        Aux0 errors 0,0,0
        MCU temperature: min 25.3, current 26.1, max 26.3
        Supply voltage: min 24.1, current 24.1, max 24.2, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
        12V rail voltage: min 12.1, current 12.1, max 12.2, under voltage events: 0
        Heap OK, handles allocated/used 99/1, heap memory allocated/used/recyclable 2048/12/0, gc cycles 0
        Events: 1 queued, 1 completed
        Date/time: 2025-01-20 17:13:57
        Slowest loop: 3.22ms; fastest: 0.07ms
        USB interrupts 2
        === Storage ===
        Free file entries: 20
        SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 25.0MBytes/sec
        SD card longest read time 1.0ms, write time 0.0ms, max retries 0
        === Move ===
        Segments created 0, maxWait 0ms, bed comp in use: none, height map offset 0.000, hiccups added 0/0 (0.00/0.00ms), max steps late 0, ebfmin 0.00, ebfmax 0.00
        Pos req/act/dcf: 0.00/0/0.00 0.00/0/0.00 0.00/0/0.00
        next step interrupt due in 9 ticks, disabled
        Driver 0: standstill, SG min n/a, mspos 8, reads 7783, writes 11 timeouts 0
        Driver 1: standstill, SG min n/a, mspos 4, reads 7773, writes 21 timeouts 0
        Driver 2: standstill, SG min n/a, mspos 8, reads 7783, writes 11 timeouts 0
        Driver 3: standstill, SG min n/a, mspos 8, reads 7773, writes 21 timeouts 0
        Driver 4: standstill, SG min n/a, mspos 8, reads 7773, writes 21 timeouts 0
        Driver 5: standstill, SG min n/a, mspos 8, reads 7773, writes 21 timeouts 0
        Phase step loop runtime (us): min=0, max=89, frequency (Hz): min=1666, max=2500
        === DDARing 0 ===
        Scheduled moves 0, completed 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0]
        Segments left 0, axes/extruders owned 0x00000000, drives owned 0x00000000
        Code queue is empty
        === DDARing 1 ===
        Scheduled moves 0, completed 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0]
        Segments left 0, axes/extruders owned 0x00000000, drives owned 0x00000000
        Code queue is empty
        === Heat ===
        Bed heaters 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1, chamber heaters 2 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1, ordering err=== GCodes ===
        Movement locks held by null, null
        HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
        Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
        File is idle in state(s) 0
        USB is idle in state(s) 0
        Aux is idle in state(s) 0
        Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
        Queue is idle in state(s) 0
        LCD is idle in state(s) 0
        SBC is idle in state(s) 0
        Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
        Aux2 is idle in state(s) 0
        Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
        File2 is idle in state(s) 0
        Queue2 is idle in state(s) 0
        === Filament sensors ===
        check 0 clear 6854308
        Extruder 0 sensor: ok
        === CAN ===
        Messages queued 7938, received 25025, lost 0, ignored 0, errs 0, boc 0
        Longest wait 13ms for reply type 6018, peak Tx sync delay 376, free buffers 50 (min 49), ts 4213/4212/0
        Tx timeouts 0,0,0,0,0,0
        === Network ===
        Slowest loop: 3.10ms; fastest: 0.03ms
        Responder states: MQTT(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0) Telnet(0)
        HTTP sessions: 2 of 8
        = Ethernet =
        Interface state: active
        Error counts: 0 0 0 1 0 0
        Socket states: 6 2 2 2 2 0 0 0 0
        === Multicast handler ===
        Responder is inactive, messages received 0, responses 0
        
        

        for the 1hcl board attached with the encoder

        m122 b50
        Diagnostics for board 50:
        Duet EXP1HCL rev 1.0a or earlier firmware version 3.6.0-beta.3 (2025-01-15 18:54:31)
        Bootloader ID: SAME5x bootloader version 2.4 (2021-12-10)
        All averaging filters OK
        Never used RAM 51588, free system stack 182 words
        Tasks: EncCal(1,nWait 6,0.0%,312) Move(3,nWait 7,0.0%,167) CLSend(3,nWait 6,0.0%,149) TMC(4,nWait 6,60.5%,317) HEAT(2,nWait 6,0.0%,105) CanAsync(5,nWait 4,0.0%,66) CanRecv(3,nWait 1,0.0%,65) CanClock(5,nWait 1,0.0%,64) MAIN(1,running,38.4%,315) IDLE(0,ready,0.1%,29) AIN(2,nWait 2,1.0%,255), total 100.0%
        Owned mutexes:
        Last reset 00:15:41 ago, cause: software
        Last software reset data not available
        Moves scheduled 0, hiccups 0 (0.00/0.00ms), segs 0, step errors 0 (types 0x0), maxLate 0 maxPrep 0, ebfmin 0.00 max 0.00
        Phase step loop runtime (us): min=26, max=65, frequency (Hz): min=8720, max=18292
        Peak sync jitter -7/9, peak Rx sync delay 187, resyncs 0/0, next timer interrupt due in 11 ticks, enabled, next step interrupt due in 3589150588 ticks, disabled
        VIN voltage: min 24.2, current 24.3, max 24.3
        V12 voltage: min 12.0, current 12.0, max 12.1
        MCU temperature: min 28.2C, current 29.1C, mDriver 0: pos -1080, 320.0 steps/mm, not tuned/calibrated, tuning/calibration failed, SG min n/a, mspos 4, reads 21334, writes 21 timeouts 0
        Last sensors broadcast 0x00000000 found 0 181 ticks ago, 0 ordering errs, loop time 0
        CAN messages queued 7704, send timeouts 0, received 12134, lost 0, ignored 0, errs 0, boc 0, free buffers 38, min 38, error reg 0
        dup 0, oos 0/0/0/0, bm 0, wbm 0, rxMotionDelay 0
        Closed loop driver 0 mode: closed loop, pre-error threshold: 1.00, error threshold: 2.00, encoder type rotaryAS5047, position 5520
        Encoder reverse polarity: no, full rotations 0, last angle 5523, minCorrection=0.0, maxCorrection=0.0, agc 87, mag 4700, no error
        Tuning mode: 0, tuning error: 0x6, collecting data: no
        Accelerometer: none
        I2C bus errors 12, naks 0, contentions 0, other errors 0
        

        Any help is very much appreciated

        Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
        Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
        Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
        custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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        • martin7404undefined
          martin7404
          last edited by

          Just in case downgraded back to 3.5.4 and the result is the same

          Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
          Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
          Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
          custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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          • martin7404undefined
            martin7404
            last edited by

            I am stupid these are 0.9 mottors
            tried to edit M569.1 with S400 parameter and the calibration went well , but after that the motor entered in such big resonance in stoped position , that crashed the whole board

            1/20/2025, 8:37:55 PM	Connection established
            1/20/2025, 8:37:25 PM	Connection interrupted, attempting to reconnect...
            Network error: Request timed out
            1/20/2025, 8:37:17 PM	Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            1/20/2025, 8:37:16 PM	m17
            1/20/2025, 8:36:28 PM	Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            1/20/2025, 8:36:27 PM	Connection established
            1/20/2025, 8:36:12 PM	Connection interrupted, attempting to reconnect...
            Network error: Request timed out
            1/20/2025, 8:36:03 PM	m569.6 p50.0 v2
            Driver 50.0 calibration succeeded, measured backlash is -0.084 step
            Original encoder reading errors: min -12.3, max 14.8, rms 5.2
            Corrections made: min -9.0, max 10.0, rms 5.1
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            Warning: Driver 50.0 warning: position tolerance exceeded
            1/20/2025, 8:35:37 PM	m569.6 p50.0
            Error: M569.6: Driver 50.0 calibration failed (no reason available)
            1/20/2025, 8:35:14 PM	m569.1 p50.0
            Encoder type: rotaryAS5047
            Magnetic encoder motor steps/rev 400, agc 80, mag 4715
            PID parameters P=100.0 I=0.000 D=0.000 V=1000.0 A=0.0, torque constant 1.00Nm/A
            Warning/error threshold 1.00/2.00
            1/20/2025, 8:35:03 PM	m17
            1/20/2025, 8:34:47 PM	Upload of config.g successful after 0s
            1/20/2025, 6:39:33 PM	Connection established
            

            Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
            Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
            Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
            custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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            • jay_s_ukundefined
              jay_s_uk @martin7404
              last edited by

              @martin7404 grab an M122 and M122 B50 so we can see whats the cause of the reboot

              Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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              • martin7404undefined
                martin7404 @jay_s_uk
                last edited by martin7404

                @jay_s_uk Reboot is fixed I uped the error in m596.1
                It now just gives a warning when I send m17
                if I reset the tuning 569.6 p50.0 v4 it goes away
                so the problem seems to be 0.9 steppers
                it performs calibration and after that goes in resonance

                Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                • martin7404undefined
                  martin7404 @jay_s_uk
                  last edited by

                  @jay_s_uk here is new calibration
                  3dddaf17-480f-46c9-a2b2-4f0d9bbf4449-image.png

                  and then the m122 p50.0

                  m122 b50
                  Diagnostics for board 50:
                  Duet EXP1HCL rev 1.0a or earlier firmware version 3.6.0-beta.3 (2025-01-15 18:54:31)
                  Bootloader ID: SAME5x bootloader version 2.4 (2021-12-10)
                  All averaging filters OK
                  Never used RAM 51588, free system stack 184 words
                  Tasks: EncCal(1,nWait 6,0.3%,183) Move(3,nWait 7,0.0%,167) CLSend(3,nWait 6,0.0%,149) TMC(4,nWait 6,66.5%,317) HEAT(2,nWait 6,0.1%,105) CanAsync(5,nWait 4,0.0%,66) CanRecv(3,nWait 1,0.0%,65) CanClock(5,nWait 1,0.0%,64) MAIN(1,running,32.0%,253) IDLE(0,ready,0.0%,29) AIN(2,nWait 2,1.2%,255), total 100.0%
                  Owned mutexes:
                  Last reset 00:05:44 ago, cause: software
                  Last software reset data not available
                  Moves scheduled 0, hiccups 0 (0.00/0.00ms), segs 0, step errors 0 (types 0x0), maxLate 0 maxPrep 0, ebfmin 0.00 max 0.00
                  Phase step loop runtime (us): min=26, max=65, frequency (Hz): min=4807, max=18292
                  Peak sync jitter -7/7, peak Rx sync delay 190, resyncs 0/0, next timer interrupt due in 2 ticks, enabled, next step interrupt due in 4036578614 ticks, disabled
                  VIN voltage: min 24.2, current 24.3, max 24.3
                  V12 voltage: min 12.0, current 12.0, max 12.1
                  MCU temperature: min 28.4C, current 29.1C, maDriver 0: pos 690, 320.0 steps/mm, position tolerance exceeded, failed to maintain position, SG min n/a, mspos 4, reads 25157, writes 8 timeouts 0
                  Last sensors broadcast 0x00000000 found 0 89 ticks ago, 0 ordering errs, loop time 0
                  CAN messages queued 2421, send timeouts 0, received 3688, lost 0, ignored 0, errs 0, boc 0, free buffers 38, min 38, error reg 0
                  dup 0, oos 0/0/0/0, bm 0, wbm 0, rxMotionDelay 0
                  Closed loop driver 0 mode: closed loop, pre-error threshold: 10.00, error threshold: 20.00, encoder type rotaryAS5047, position -1966
                  Encoder reverse polarity: no, full rotations -1, last angle 14418, minCorrection=-9.0, maxCorrection=9.2, agc 79, mag 4747, no error
                  Tuning mode: 0, tuning error: 0, collecting data: no
                  Accelerometer: none
                  I2C bus errors 0, naks 0, contentions 0, other errors 0
                  

                  Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                  Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                  Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                  custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                  • martin7404undefined
                    martin7404
                    last edited by

                    I think I found the culprit.
                    Originally due to heavy gantry my motors LDO-42STH60-MAC were runing at 1700 mA max current cutoff (2 Amps max)
                    I reduced the current to 1200 mA and now it is without vibrations in closed loop mode

                     1/20/2025, 10:05:28 PM	m569.6 p50.0 v3
                    Driver 50.0 calibration check succeeded, measured backlash is -0.067 step
                    Residual encoder reading errors: min -5.0, max 11.3, rms 1.4
                    1/20/2025, 10:04:47 PM	m569.6 p50.0 v2
                    Driver 50.0 calibration succeeded, measured backlash is -0.074 step
                    Original encoder reading errors: min -13.8, max 14.1, rms 5.7
                    Corrections made: min -9.6, max 9.2, rms 5.6
                    1/20/2025, 10:04:11 PM	m17
                    1/20/2025, 10:04:05 PM	M906 X1200 Y1200 I0
                    

                    I still do not know if these numbers are good

                    Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                    Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                    Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                    custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                    • dc42undefined
                      dc42 administrators @martin7404
                      last edited by

                      @martin7404 that backlash number is good and the other readings looks OK to me. It's more difficult to get good readings using 0.9deg motors than it is using 1.8 deg motors which is what we recommend.

                      If you want to increase the motor current beyond 1200mA without getting instability, try reducing the PID P parameter in the M569.1 command from its default value.

                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                      • martin7404undefined
                        martin7404 @dc42
                        last edited by

                        @dc42 Does that mean 0.9 steppers will have problems running in closed loop ?

                        Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                        Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                        Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                        custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                        • dc42undefined
                          dc42 administrators @martin7404
                          last edited by

                          @martin7404 they should run OK, however the speed won't be as high as you can get using 1.8deg motors and the tuning will be more critical. With a closed loop motor it's the encoder that determines the resolution, not the motor.

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                            martin7404 @dc42
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                            @dc42 Thank you . I get this but these are on the machine. Any guidelines about PID tuning. I managed to make it today following the wiki guide and my graphs are more "noisy" is this to be expected. It is a big machine with 0.6 and 0.8revo nozzles. But I limit the acceleration a lot , hopin to improve this by going closed loop

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                              @dc42 Something to ask
                              When you do manual tuning with the plugin after it is finished.
                              How to save the tuned parameters?
                              Do I need to enter them in config.g in the 569.1 command?

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                                @martin7404 yes you need to put the new parameters in the M569.1 command in config.g.

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                                  martin7404 @dc42
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                                  @dc42 does this manual tooling look OK?
                                  This is what I cma up after following the tuning guide
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                                    martin7404 @martin7404
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                                    this is the second motor

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                                      the final config.g

                                      ; Configuration file for Duet 3 (firmware version 3)
                                      ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                                      ;
                                      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.2.3 on Thu May 27 2021 13:17:12 GMT+0300 (Eastern European Summer Time)
                                      
                                      ; General preferences 
                                      G90                                                    ; send absolute coordinates...
                                      M83                                                    ; ...but relative extruder moves
                                      M550 P"CoreXY500"                                     ; set printer name
                                      M669 K1                                                ; select CoreXY mode
                                      
                                      ; Network
                                      M552 P192.168.1.27 S1                                       ; enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
                                      M586 P0 S1                                             ; enable HTTP
                                      M586 P1 S0                                             ; disable FTP
                                      M586 P2 S0                                             ; disable Telnet
                                      G4 S2   ;wait for expansion boards to start
                                      
                                      
                                      ; Drives
                                      M569.1 P50.0 T3 E4:8 S400 R40 I1500 D0.05 V400 A200000 H10 ; Configure the Duet 3 Expansion 1HCL board at CAN address 50 with a Duet 3 magnetic encoder, warn if 1 fullstep threshold exceeded, error if 2 full steps threshold exceeded.
                                      M569 P50.0 D4 S1 ;
                                      ;M569 P0.0 S1                                           ; physical drive 0.0 goes forwards
                                      ;M569 P0.1 S0                                    ; physical drive 0.1 goes forwards
                                      M569.1 P51.0 T3 E4:8 S400 R40 I1500 D0.05 V400 A200000 H10 ; Configure the Duet 3 Expansion 1HCL board at CAN address 50 with a Duet 3 magnetic encoder, warn if 1 fullstep threshold exceeded, error if 2 full steps threshold exceeded.
                                      M569 P51.0 D4 S0
                                      M569 P0.3 S0
                                      M569 P0.4 S1  
                                      M569 P0.5 S1                                           ; physical drive 0.2 goes forwards
                                      M569 P121.0 S1                                         ; physical drive 121.0 goes forwards
                                      M584 X50.0 Y51.0 Z0.3:0.4:0.5 E121.0                             ; set drive mapping
                                      M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1                                ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                                      M92 X160.00 Y160.00 Z8280.00 E395.70                      ; set steps per mm
                                      ;M350 X32 Y32 Z16 E16 I1
                                      M566 X300.00 Y300.00 Z50.00 E120.00                    ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                                      M203 X12000.00 Y12000.00 Z150.00 E1200.00                ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                                      M201 X1000.00 Y1000.00 Z20.00 E500.00                    ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                                      M906 Z1000 E800 I30                           ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                                      M906 X1700 Y1700 I30 
                                      M84 S30                                                ; Set idle timeout
                                      
                                      ; Axis Limits
                                      M208 X-26 Y0 Z0 S1                                       ; set axis minima
                                      M208 X500 Y330 Z365 S0                                 ; set axis maxima
                                      
                                      ; Endstops
                                      M574 X1 S4                                             ; configure sensorless endstop for low end on X
                                      M574 Y1 S4                                             ; configure sensorless endstop for low end on Y
                                      M574 Z1 S2                                             ; configure Z-probe endstop for low end on Z
                                      ;M574 E1 S1
                                      ;Filament sensor BTT E1
                                      M591 D0 P2 C"io8.in" S1 ;configure BTT smart filament sensor
                                      ; Z-Probe
                                      M671 X-31.39:250:531.36 Y-18:433.3:-18 S10       ; Locations left, center, right   
                                      M558 P8 C"121.io2.in"  H3 F1000 T6000 A20 S0.005 ; PINDA set Z probe type to switch and the dive height + speeds
                                      ;M308 S2 P"121.temp1" A"PINDA" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950
                                      ;M950 H2 C"out1" T2                                 ; create nozzle heater output on 121.out0 and map it to sensor 1
                                      ;M307 H2 B0 S1.00                                       ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
                                      ;M141 H2
                                      ;M143 H2 S90                                           ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
                                      G31 P500 X30 Y0 Z1.48                            ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                                      M557 X20:450 Y5:320 P5                             ; define mesh grid
                                      
                                      ; Heaters
                                      M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138           ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin temp0
                                      M950 H0 C"out0" T0 Q10                                     ; create bed heater output on out0 and map it to sensor 0
                                      M307 H0 B0 S1                                      ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                                      M140 H0                                                ; map heated bed to heater 0
                                      M143 H0 S130                                          ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
                                      M308 S1 P"121.temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.060000e-8       ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin 121.temp0
                                      M950 H1 C"121.out0" T1                                 ; create nozzle heater output on 121.out0 and map it to sensor 1
                                      M307 H1 B0 S1.00                                       ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
                                      M143 H1 S290     ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
                                      
                                      M308 S2 A"Chamber" P"temp2" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8
                                      M950 H2 C"out2" T2                                 ; create nozzle heater output on 121.out0 and map it to sensor 1
                                      M307 H2 R0.001 A11 C99999 D4000 B1   ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
                                      M141 H2
                                      M143 H2 S70
                                      
                                      ; Fans
                                      M950 F0 C"121.out1"                               ; create fan 0 on pin 121.out1 and set its frequency
                                      M106 P0 S0 B0.5 H-1                                         ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                                      M950 F1 C"121.out2" Q500                               ; create fan 1 on pin 121.out2 and set its frequency
                                      M106 P1 S1 H1 T45                                      ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
                                      
                                      ; Tools
                                      M563 P0 D0 H1 F0                                       ; define tool 0
                                      G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z-0.15                                        ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                                      G10 P0 R0 S0                                           ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                                      
                                      ; Custom settings are not defined
                                      M955 P121.0 I05 ;Accelerometer on Toolboard
                                      ; Miscellaneous
                                      M575 P1 S1 B57600                                      ; enable support for PanelDue
                                      M572 D0 S0.045 ; PA for ABS GD filament 0.4 nozzle
                                      M501                                                   ; load saved parameters from non-volatile memory
                                      M911 S22.5 R23.5 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000" ; set voltage thresholds and actions to run on power loss
                                      
                                      ``'

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                                        martin7404 @dc42
                                        last edited by martin7404

                                        @dc42 Everything works but with 0.8 nozzle, I have to run pretty slow and there is too much vibration in closed-loop mode, so I switched to assisted open loop
                                        I get a lot of these
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                                        Do you mean R value in M569.1 ?

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                                          martin7404 @martin7404
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                                          @martin7404 From time to time, it pauses due to these errors, and when I resume,e there is a slight layer shift
                                          For now, for the big nozzle, I am switching to open loop with high current on the motors.
                                          And will use a closed loop when printing with a smaller nozzle
                                          May be in the future I will switch the motors to 1.8 and will test tuning them again

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                                            dc42 administrators @martin7404
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                                            @martin7404 the warning .messages mean that the M569.1 E value has been exceeded.

                                            If the motors are noisy in closed loop mode, reduce the D term. If they tend to oscillate, reduce the R term or increase the D term.

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