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    • rs4raceundefined
      rs4race
      last edited by

      Thanks after reducing to 32x I was able to hit 1000mm/s. Someone suggested using the 16x with interpolation. With this setting I have reached the maximum speeds for the travel and accelerations 2800mm/s for X and 2700mm/s for Y.

      If I'm understanding it correctly when set to 16x it will use 256 and scale back as needed to keep step time above a certain value?

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      • BDubsundefined
        BDubs
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        Now see how fast you go with 2 axes at the same time (XY); then 3 axes (XYZ) simultaneously. THAT is your max speed in the real world. If you rely on single axis speed and do a 2 axis move, it will choke. All controllers will do this if they reach their limit.

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        • deckingmanundefined
          deckingman
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          @rs4race:

          Thanks after reducing to 32x I was able to hit 1000mm/s. Someone suggested using the 16x with interpolation. With this setting I have reached the maximum speeds for the travel and accelerations 2800mm/s for X and 2700mm/s for Y.

          If I'm understanding it correctly when set to 16x it will use 256 and scale back as needed to keep step time above a certain value?

          I could be wrong but my understanding is that the interpolation is done by the driver chip, so takes the load off the processor. So the duet sends 16x micro stepping but then the driver chip further divides these micro steps into smaller steps. David will do doubt correct me if this is wrong.

          Ian
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          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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          • deckingmanundefined
            deckingman
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            @BDubs:

            Now see how fast you go with 2 axes at the same time (XY); then 3 axes (XYZ) simultaneously. THAT is your max speed in the real world. If you rely on single axis speed and do a 2 axis move, it will choke. All controllers will do this if they reach their limit.

            On a CoreXY both motors contribute to movement for X and Y moves, except those that are at 45 degrees in which case one motor would be at a standstill. So pure X or pure Y on a CoreXY are the worst case. Z will never move as fast as X and Y so an XYZ move will always be limited by the Z speed (but it would only last as long as a layer change distance).

            Ian
            https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
            https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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            • rs4raceundefined
              rs4race
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              Quick update.

              It seems that diagonal moves will be the most limited as they only use one motor. This is probably a torque limited speed rather than a processor speed limit.

              After much testing and dropping my stepper currents to the rated 1500mA, I have reached a 1300mm/s max speed for diagonal moves. Interestingly enough it doesnt seem to care how high I set the acceleration. I've tested pure x moves, pure y moves and both diagonals at 1300mm/s with accelerations set up to 72000mm/s^2. I imagine compliance in the belts help out with this a bit.

              This has been an interesting experiment!

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              • cbusilloundefined
                cbusillo
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                What happens with an immediate move in the reverse direction? At 1000mm/s my printer would do a single move perfect. Back to back moves would cause it to skip steps.

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                • dc42undefined
                  dc42 administrators
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                  @cbusillo:

                  What happens with an immediate move in the reverse direction? At 1000mm/s my printer would do a single move perfect. Back to back moves would cause it to skip steps.

                  That may mean that your XY jerk settings are too high.

                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                  • cbusilloundefined
                    cbusillo
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                    Thanks David! I’ll try that when I get everything together.

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                    • rs4raceundefined
                      rs4race
                      last edited by

                      @cbusillo:

                      What happens with an immediate move in the reverse direction? At 1000mm/s my printer would do a single move perfect. Back to back moves would cause it to skip steps.

                      hmm I will have to check. Here's a video I made 100 mm/s to 1000 mm/s. Each time around it increases speed 100 mm/s.

                      https://youtu.be/C9LVhPq3OWU

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                      • parovoZZundefined
                        parovoZZ
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                        Reducing the microstep increases the accuracy.
                        1/8 - exactly
                        1/16 - more accurate
                        1/32 - super accurately
                        etc
                        Increase the accuracy if you turn on the microstep interpolation (I1)?

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