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    • benkay
      benkay last edited by

      HI all,

      I'm a little confused with calibrating a delta.

      In my start script, I have it run a G32 delta calibration, and then G29 S1, to load the mesh level.

      Does a G32 also set the correct z-height automatically, or do I also need to do a G30 ?

      Reason I ask is I often have to play with baby stepping (an awful lot) to get sensible first layer adhesion.

      My result of a G32 is usually 0.032 so I think I'm within reasonable tolerances in terms of the build.

      Also, sometimes if I run G29, my result comes back with the expected low and high spots, but the mean/median position is the grid plane on the visualisation. Other times I run G29, the bed in its entirety is all above the grid plane…

      What is the correct procedure/timing for when to run G29?

      Thanks, Ben

      Tevo Little monster with Duet Wifi and Smart Effector / magball arms upgrades.
      Original Prusa i3 Mk3

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      • AlexLin
        AlexLin last edited by

        have a look at
        https://www.duet3d.com/forum/thread.php?id=5067

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        • benkay
          benkay last edited by

          Aha…well that explains the G29 overall offset then......so next open question is does a G32 automatically set correct z-height?

          Tevo Little monster with Duet Wifi and Smart Effector / magball arms upgrades.
          Original Prusa i3 Mk3

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          • dc42
            dc42 administrators last edited by

            G32 automatically sets the correct Z height; but if you subsequently run G28 then the Z height will only remain correct if the endstop switches trigger at exactly the same carriage heights as they did when you ran G28 before G32. If the temperature has changed significantly then that won't be the case, due to different rates of expansion of aluminium extrusions, belts, and carbon fibre arms.

            So between running G28 and the print actually starting, I recommend you do one of the following:

            1. Run G32 auto calibration.
            2. Do a single G30 probe from a few mm above bed centre.
            3. Run reduced calibration, e.g. 3-point calibration.

            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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            • benkay
              benkay last edited by

              Hi David,

              Thanks for the input.

              My process (in start g-code) is usually

              1. G28 ; home
              2. Heat up extruder to printing temp, heat up bed to printing temp.
              3. G32 ; (runs bed.g, which does somtehing like 8 perimeter probes and 5 intermediate probes and centre probe)
              4. At the end of my bed.g file, I have G29 S1 to load mesh
              5. Run purgenozzle.g

              So in essence I'm auto calibrating at printing temperatures and printing begins with no homing move between the calibration and the print starting.

              Does that sound like I'm doing everything correctly?

              I did a big print (first layer 0.15) that took up almost the whole bed (240mm diameter) and was getting very squashed, almost non-existent extrusion on the left side of the bed, and much taller extrusion on the other side (calibration result was 0.039)

              Tevo Little monster with Duet Wifi and Smart Effector / magball arms upgrades.
              Original Prusa i3 Mk3

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              • dc42
                dc42 administrators last edited by

                That sequence sounds good to me.

                What type of Z probe are you using? The symptom you describe suggests that you are using a Z probe that is offset from the nozzle, and the effector tilt is varying with XY position.

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                • benkay
                  benkay last edited by

                  No, i'm using a smart effector so that shouldn't be the issue.

                  Tevo Little monster with Duet Wifi and Smart Effector / magball arms upgrades.
                  Original Prusa i3 Mk3

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                  • dc42
                    dc42 administrators last edited by

                    What does the mesh height map look like?

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                    • benkay
                      benkay last edited by

                      Tevo Little monster with Duet Wifi and Smart Effector / magball arms upgrades.
                      Original Prusa i3 Mk3

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                      • dc42
                        dc42 administrators last edited by

                        That looks fairly flat apart from a few points right at the edges. When you run G32, how many factors do you calibrate?

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                        • benkay
                          benkay last edited by

                          6 factor calibration - I've set the rod lengths myself as I had the calibration numbers from the labels on the mag-ball arms.

                          Tevo Little monster with Duet Wifi and Smart Effector / magball arms upgrades.
                          Original Prusa i3 Mk3

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                          • dc42
                            dc42 administrators last edited by

                            In that case, I am puzzled!

                            You could check that the trigger height (which should be around -0.1mm) is the same at both sides of the bed.

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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