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Question on Z-Offset and Start Script, Also Nozzle Adjustment.

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    Phaedrux Moderator
    last edited by 6 Aug 2018, 02:59

    It's available in Cura but I think it may be hidden by default. You'd have to do a search in the settings widget.

    You can also use baby stepping on the DWC or panel due for fine adjustments.

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      dc42 administrators
      last edited by 6 Aug 2018, 10:21

      I suggest you read https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/ConfiguringRepRapFirmwareCartesianPrinter#Section_Homing_Z_using_a_Z_min_endstop_switch.

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        justinds89
        last edited by 6 Aug 2018, 12:59

        Appreciate the help guys. I will checkout that link.

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          justinds89 @justinds89
          last edited by justinds89 8 Jun 2018, 18:57 6 Aug 2018, 18:55

          So just to confirm.

          If I use the G92 Zn command with my current configuration I need to use a negative number (G92 Z-0.2) to move the bed down 0.2mm correct?

          Homing Z is 0 and when I lower the bed the numbers are positive. so basically Z lowered is 140mm.

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            dc42 administrators @justinds89
            last edited by 7 Aug 2018, 07:26

            @justinds89 said in Question on Z-Offset and Start Script, Also Nozzle Adjustment.:

            If I use the G92 Zn command with my current configuration I need to use a negative number (G92 Z-0.2) to move the bed down 0.2mm correct?

            No, a positive number. G92 tells the firmware where the machine is. So if the nozzle is 0.2mm above the bed when the endstop switch triggers, G92 Z0.2 will tell the firmware that.

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              justinds89 @dc42
              last edited by 7 Aug 2018, 13:03

              @dc42

              Hmm interesting. I guess I was looking at this wrong.

              I thought a negative number was what I was looking for.

              Basically if the nozzle is too close when printing and I need to lower the bed just 0.1 mm I would still use a positive number?

              Sorry for so many questions, just trying to understand everything.

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                dc42 administrators @justinds89
                last edited by 7 Aug 2018, 14:11

                @justinds89 said in Question on Z-Offset and Start Script, Also Nozzle Adjustment.:

                Basically if the nozzle is too close when printing and I need to lower the bed just 0.1 mm I would still use a positive number?

                If the nozzle is too close to the bed then the number in your G92 command needs to be made smaller. It should never be negative, because that would mean that the nozzle touches the bed before the Z min endstop switch triggers.

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                  justinds89 @dc42
                  last edited by 7 Aug 2018, 14:26

                  @dc42

                  Ah okay, to be honest I'm still a bit confused haha.

                  I may have to just try adjusting the number and see what happens. I just don't wan't the bed to end up going the wrong direction and going to far up and hitting the nozzle.

                  Right now without the G92 command the nozzle is a hair too close. I know I could manually adjust the thumb screws on the bed, but it would be much easier and more accurate to just bring the bed down a bit for the print.

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                    dc42 administrators @justinds89
                    last edited by 8 Aug 2018, 06:34

                    @justinds89 said in Question on Z-Offset and Start Script, Also Nozzle Adjustment.:

                    Right now without the G92 command the nozzle is a hair too close.

                    That implies that the nozzle touches the bed before the endstop triggers - is that really the case?

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                      justinds89 @dc42
                      last edited by 8 Aug 2018, 12:37

                      @dc42

                      No, when the endstop triggers the nozzle is a hair under 0.1 mm away from the bed.

                      Basically I am looking to add something like a 0.02mm gap to the existing gap to increase distance between the nozzle to get an optimal first layer.

                      Right now it works, but the plastic is a bit too squished. If I could just get the bed to go down a bit further with an offset it would solve the issue.

                      I'm hoping all that makes sense.

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                        dc42 administrators @justinds89
                        last edited by 8 Aug 2018, 13:03

                        If your Z=0 position leaves the nozzle nearly 0.1mm above the bed, but that is still too close to get a good first layer, then something else is wrong. Perhaps you have configured a negative tool Z offset using G10; or perhaps in your slicer settings you are telling it to over-extrude the first layer.

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                          justinds89 @dc42
                          last edited by 8 Aug 2018, 13:18

                          @dc42

                          Well I'm not exactly sure how close the nozzle is to be honest. It prints great now and the first layer looks really good too. I think it is just a hair too close though and would be better if it was backed off just a bit. Really just trying to get everything as good as possible and accurate as possible.

                          I will try out the G92 command. I was just trying to avoid shoving a hot nozzle into my BuildTak by going the wrong direction with the offset.

                          I think I can test this out without having the nozzle heated up.

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                            Phaedrux Moderator
                            last edited by 8 Aug 2018, 18:25

                            I was able to open Cura and find where they tucked z offset. It can be found under Build plate adhesion, but it may be hidden by default. You could add your offset there, or you could use the baby stepping buttons at the start of the print.

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                              justinds89 @Phaedrux
                              last edited by 8 Aug 2018, 18:30

                              @phaedrux

                              Appreciate that! I looked around and even used the search box in the settings, but didn't see anything. I guess I just overlooked it.

                              I will just use that as it will probably be easier.

                              Thanks!

                              BTW - The new fan duct and the silicon sock solved my temperature drop issue and my prints are better than ever with this printer.

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                                justinds89 @Phaedrux
                                last edited by 8 Aug 2018, 18:33

                                @phaedrux

                                I'm still not seeing it under Build Plate Adhesion. I am on the latest version of Cura.

                                That is odd. I will have to do some research.

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                                  Phaedrux Moderator
                                  last edited by 8 Aug 2018, 18:33

                                  That's awesome. Glad to hear.

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                                    Phaedrux Moderator
                                    last edited by 8 Aug 2018, 18:34

                                    It's probably hidden by default. Click the little gear that appears on the right of Build Plate Adhesion when you mouse over it. That will open the settings panel. You can then find Z offset in there and put a check box next to it so it is displayed in the sidebar.

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                                      justinds89 @Phaedrux
                                      last edited by 8 Aug 2018, 18:35

                                      @phaedrux

                                      Right, I click the gear and about the only options in there to check are for skirt and brim stuff. Nothing for Z Offset that I can see. Odd that it shows on yours.

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                                        Phaedrux Moderator @justinds89
                                        last edited by Phaedrux 8 Aug 2018, 18:37 8 Aug 2018, 18:36

                                        @justinds89 What version of Cura are you using? I'm on the latest 3.4.1.

                                        It's also at the end after all the raft and brim stuff.

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                                          justinds89 @Phaedrux
                                          last edited by 8 Aug 2018, 18:40

                                          @phaedrux

                                          I'm on the same version. I looked at the plugins for the fun of it and there is a Z Offset Plugin there in the toolbox. I bet that is why I don't have the option.

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