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    • Murloc992undefined
      Murloc992
      last edited by Murloc992

      Hi again.. 🙂

      I was wondering, what is correct way of determining the correct value of pressure advance?

      With 0 pressure advance I get corners so bad, I haven't ever seen them that bad on a 3D printer, so I figured I will need to use Pressure Advance.

      This is a simple test cube I printed:

      2019-12-12 20.47.19.jpg

      first 5mm is 0 pressure advance, later 5mm are 0.0825 pressure advance. It looks MUCH better, but how would one determine correct value? I used modified marlin code and one python script I found here, but don't know much about it.

      I have a converted Prusa MK2.5 bear running a Bear extruder (bondtech).

      Is it per filament?

      Maybe somebody has better expertise and can explain it better? 🙂

      "Prusa Bear" : Full Bear frame, Bear X-Axis and Extruder. Duet 2 WiFi with RRF 3.2.2.

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      • Vetiundefined
        Veti
        last edited by

        see
        https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/6698/pressure-advance-calibration/2?_=1576178880585

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        • Murloc992undefined
          Murloc992 @Veti
          last edited by

          @Veti

          I tried this, seemed to be very unintuitive.. 😕 This is where "around 0.0825" comes from..

          "Prusa Bear" : Full Bear frame, Bear X-Axis and Extruder. Duet 2 WiFi with RRF 3.2.2.

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          • Vetiundefined
            Veti
            last edited by

            also other factor like jerk and acceleration play into this. (also for the extruder)

            why does looking at the test print to determine the best value seem unintuitive to you?

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            • Murloc992undefined
              Murloc992 @Veti
              last edited by Murloc992

              @Veti

              I'm almost blind.. 😅

              I feel around my prints with my nails most of the time.. 🙂

              "Prusa Bear" : Full Bear frame, Bear X-Axis and Extruder. Duet 2 WiFi with RRF 3.2.2.

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              • botundefined
                bot
                last edited by

                IMO, the best way is to look at, from the top, the outer perimeters of a sharp corner.

                Without PA, or too low of PA, the extrusion width will grow on the side of the corner that the nozzle is coming from, and the side of the corner that the nozzle accelerates away from will display thinner extrusion width than normal.

                With too much PA, the opposite will happen: the side of the corner that the nozzle is coming from will now be too little, and the side of the corner that the nozzle accelerates away from will be too thick.

                You have found a good value when you can not tell the difference between the two sides of the corner.

                *not actually a robot

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                • Murloc992undefined
                  Murloc992 @bot
                  last edited by

                  @bot

                  Is this value filament specific?

                  "Prusa Bear" : Full Bear frame, Bear X-Axis and Extruder. Duet 2 WiFi with RRF 3.2.2.

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                  • botundefined
                    bot @Murloc992
                    last edited by

                    @Murloc992 I would assume so. Probably, at least, for different types of plastic. Similar PLA might use the same value, though. TBH, I've only tested PA with PLA and only in certain circumstances.

                    *not actually a robot

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                    • Vetiundefined
                      Veti
                      last edited by

                      the blob at the top left could also be an indicator for 2 things.

                      -you are printing at a temperature that is to hot, causing the extruder to leak.

                      -your extrusion factor is to high, which results results in more material in some areas because of pressure buildup.

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                      • Murloc992undefined
                        Murloc992 @Veti
                        last edited by

                        @Veti

                        This is just PETG. It always does this blob at the end of the print for me..

                        "Prusa Bear" : Full Bear frame, Bear X-Axis and Extruder. Duet 2 WiFi with RRF 3.2.2.

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                        • Murloc992undefined
                          Murloc992
                          last edited by

                          I think I might have found the value that fits. 0.07 to 0.08, does this look like a normal value? I just printed a 50mm tall two perimeter cube without any auto-cooling slow downs and tracked how the corner bulges shrinked. At 0.07 they just seemed to disappear instantly. Weird.. After 0.08 the corners started shrinking very much.

                          "Prusa Bear" : Full Bear frame, Bear X-Axis and Extruder. Duet 2 WiFi with RRF 3.2.2.

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                          • Vetiundefined
                            Veti
                            last edited by Veti

                            @Murloc992 said in Best way determining correct pressure advance?:

                            does this look like a normal value?

                            it really depends on your individual setup. there is no general value that works on every printer.
                            if you are happy with the quality, then thats the right value for your printer.

                            quote from dr cox:

                            It’s regular-strength Tylenol! Here’s what’cha do: Get her to open her mouth, take a handful, and throw it at her. Whatever sticks, that’s the correct dosage.

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