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    • aparkinundefined
      aparkin
      last edited by

      yes i am now thinking you may be on to something did the update and tried slic3r cura is pants its just my oppinun dont shoot me
      im using all metal Bowden Extruder out side of case i got a 1.7amp stepper motor running at 1.2amps
      and it seems i can now not feed 100mm thought my extruder (e3d v6) with out the motor jumping

      in case you want to see config file below

      ; Configuration file for Duet WiFi
      ; executed by the firmware on start-up
      ;
      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Sat Nov 19 2016 12:24:27 GMT+0000 (GMT Standard Time)

      ; General preferences
      M111 S0 ; Debugging off
      G21 ; Work in millimetres
      G90 ; Send absolute coordinates…
      M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
      M555 P5 ; Set firmware compatibility to look like Repetier

      M667 S1 ; Select CoreXY mode
      M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; Set axis minima
      M208 X270 Y270 Z250 S0 ; Set axis maxima

      ; Endstops
      M574 X1 Y1 Z1 S0 ; Define active high microswitches
      M558 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 H5 F120 T6000 ; Set Z probe type to unmodulated, the axes for which it is used and the probe + travel speeds
      G31 P600 X0 Y0 Z2.5 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height

      ; Drives
      M569 P0 S0 ; Drive 0 goes forwards
      M569 P1 S1 ; Drive 1 goes forwards
      M569 P2 S0 ; Drive 2 goes forwards
      M569 P3 S1 ; Drive 3 goes forwards
      M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
      M92 X79.5 Y79.5 Z400 E87.68 ; Set steps per mm
      M566 X900 Y900 Z12 E120 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
      M203 X6000 Y6000 Z180 E1200 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
      M201 X500 Y20 Z250 E250 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
      M584 X0 Y1 Z2:4 E3
      M906 X800 Y800 Z800 E1200
      I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
      M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

      ; Heaters
      M143 S260 ; Set maximum heater temperature to 300C
      M305 P0 T100000 B4008 C0 R4700 L0 H0 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
      M305 P1 T100000 B4008 C0 R4700 L0 H0 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1

      ; Tools
      M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
      G10 P0 X0 Y0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
      G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

      ; Network
      M550 Pduetwifi ; Set machine name
      M551 Ptony ; Set password
      M552 P0.0.0.0 S1 ; Enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP

      ; Fans
      M106 P0 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
      M106 P1 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
      M106 P2 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 2 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on

      ; Custom settings are not configured

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      • aparkinundefined
        aparkin
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        • dc42undefined
          dc42 administrators
          last edited by

          It looks to me from the photo that you are using an un-geared extruder. Those typically need a long, high-torque Nema 17 motor run close to its maximum current to deliver enough force, especially when printing PLA. So try increasing the current to 1.5A or 1.6A.

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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          • aparkinundefined
            aparkin
            last edited by

            thanks for the tip ill look into geared bowden are better motor if you have found any you think are cool are work great please share
            thanks for your help

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            • iDeveloundefined
              iDevelo
              last edited by

              @aparkin:

              thanks for the tip ill look into geared bowden are better motor if you have found any you think are cool are work great please share
              thanks for your help

              If you have the cash http://shop.bondtech.se/ec/extruders/bondtech-qr-175-universal.html

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              • aparkinundefined
                aparkin
                last edited by

                Ouch thanks for the link but it will cost me and extra in import tax I'll stuck with UK stuff
                Are print something out

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                • dc42undefined
                  dc42 administrators
                  last edited by

                  @aparkin:

                  Ouch thanks for the link but it will cost me and extra in import tax I'll stuck with UK stuff
                  Are print something out

                  I recommend either the E3D Titan or the spring-loaded variation of the RapRap Ormerod extruder which is mostly printable. Both have a gear ratio of around 3:1.

                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                  • deckingmanundefined
                    deckingman
                    last edited by

                    I can't really tell from the pics but another possibility is that whatever drives the filament is slipping on the motor shaft. It's a quick check to make sure that the grub screws are all tight.

                    A little tip - with a bit more aluminium extrusion you could mount the extruder above the bed, roughly in the centre which will reduce the length of your Bowden tube to less than half what you have now which will help in all sorts of ways.

                    Ian
                    https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                    https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                    • aparkinundefined
                      aparkin
                      last edited by

                      Thanks for the tip

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                      • aparkinundefined
                        aparkin
                        last edited by

                        yep you was right it was maniacal i retro fitted an old wades extruder its running upside down and back to front but now it works like a charm so now to find that ormerod extruder

                        thanks for all the help

                        of course i can not shut the door but ill fix that soon

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                        • aparkinundefined
                          aparkin
                          last edited by

                          OK the problem is still persisting on long prints my printer fails a couple of hours in but small prints.look much beter
                          Is it worth putting a fan over the duet board

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                          • dc42undefined
                            dc42 administrators
                            last edited by

                            If it's a Duet WiFi, then with the motor currents set as low as you have them it is most unlikely that you need to cool it with a fan.

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                            • aparkinundefined
                              aparkin
                              last edited by

                              Untested yet! just sermizsing.
                              But I'll add a fan on board change the motor for one of the z motors
                              I also get strange things happen when I have motor wire crossed over and I thought I got good ones for Germany….
                              Never mind anyway I'll try all the above and make sure nothings come lose see if I can shorten my bowden tube
                              And I'll get back to you let youknow how I get on
                              p.s may take a few days
                              Thanks for all the help

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                              • aparkinundefined
                                aparkin
                                last edited by

                                ok slight update not sure if this is related guess time will tell after a bit of head scratching wondering why nothing is working i found out i have a corrupt memory card pc is scanning and fixing is it worth retrying same card are just replacing it
                                p.s so happy i copied my setting to an earlier post

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                                • aparkinundefined
                                  aparkin
                                  last edited by

                                  hi all thanks for the help (dc42)
                                  ok problems

                                  memory card stopped working ( replaced card sorted )
                                  extruder getting hot and over extruding and under extruding and completely failing after 3 hours

                                  turned out i had my blue wire ad snapped inside the sheaf …....while cheeking and rerunning all the wire it fell in half in my hand strange

                                  its now 4 hours into a 6 hour print and back to normal
                                  p.s i got an extra motor in the post now

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