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PT-100 temperature constantly at 2000 degrees after failure

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    CoolM8
    last edited by 18 Apr 2017, 19:59

    No, i cannot measure it when sensor is not connect to the daughterboard. But it seems still strange, it would mean I have two new E3D PT100 sensors that do not work? But even with the PT100 sensor from the Ultimaker Original where i can measure the resistance I sill have the same issue with the temperature reading. This would mean i have 2 issues at hand and even with the same setup that used to work before it went 2 times into failure. This is utterly strange.

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      ShadowX
      last edited by 19 Apr 2017, 07:53

      Did you inspect the PWB board and connectors to make sure that none of the circuit traces are broken or if there is damage on the solder joint or connector?

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        CoolM8
        last edited by 19 Apr 2017, 20:23

        I don't see anything that any of the circuit traces are broken nor does anything look damaged.

        With the reprapfirmwar tool i get this config for the E3D thermistor:

        [[language]]
        M305 P1 T100000 B4725 C7.060000e-8 R4700 X201 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1 and remap it to channel 201
        
        

        But i also tried everything else even:

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        M305 P1 X201
        
        
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          dc42 administrators
          last edited by 19 Apr 2017, 21:00

          Do you have the PT100 connected to the first or second channel on the daughter board? 201 is the second channel, the first is 200.

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            CoolM8
            last edited by 20 Apr 2017, 17:48

            Right now i have on the second channel. As I've said, it used to work on channel 1 until the failures and since then it doesn't even work on channel 2.

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              dc42 administrators
              last edited by 20 Apr 2017, 18:29

              Do you have a resistor of between 100 and 200 ohms that you can connect to the terminal block in place of the PT100?

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                CoolM8
                last edited by 23 Apr 2017, 08:32

                No i don't have a resistor around but i think this won't make a difference. Since the Ultimaker Original has a measurable resitance of around 100ohms. It measures like in the image below (the green connection has around 110 ohms):

                It seems to me that the issue is with the daughter board or the duet itself.

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                  dc42 administrators
                  last edited by 23 Apr 2017, 08:51

                  Do you have anything else connected to the SPI bus, for example a ribbon cable connecting the CONN_SD port on the Duet to the PanelDue for using a second SD card?

                  If the answer is no, please ask your supplier for a new daughter board.

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                    CoolM8
                    last edited by 2 May 2017, 20:53

                    Well, I've ordered a new daughter board but i still get the same issue. And no I've nothing connected to SPI bus. There is no PanelDue nor a second SD card.

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                      dc42 administrators
                      last edited by 3 May 2017, 06:28

                      Have you removed the PT100 sensor from the hot end or is it still installed? I'm wondering whether it may have developed a short between the element and the case.

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                        CoolM8
                        last edited by 5 Mar 2017, 19:16 3 May 2017, 19:08

                        It's the same even if installed in the hotend or not. If I read the voltage on the middle 2 pins I get a reading of about 2V with the E3D PT100 and about 0.2V for the Ultimaker PT100. With both those voltages i get 2000 degrees in the Frontend.

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                          dc42 administrators
                          last edited by 3 May 2017, 21:13

                          The 0.2V with the Ultimaker sensor sounds plausible, the 2V with the E3D one sounds like an open circuit sensor, or else it's a thermistor not a PT100.

                          If you send the M305 P1 X201 command from the Gcode Console, does it return an error message?

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                            CoolM8
                            last edited by 4 May 2017, 16:14

                            It is all fine when I send M305 P1 X200 or X2001, no error message whatsoever. It even turns off the fan shortly that is set to start at 40 degrees but that runs continuously now because of the 2000 degrees.

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                              dc42 administrators
                              last edited by 4 May 2017, 22:04

                              What voltage do you read across the outer 2 pins of the 4 pin terminal block? It should be the same 0.2V that you get across the inner ones, with the good PT100 connected.

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                                CoolM8
                                last edited by 7 May 2017, 09:16

                                Yes the outer 2 pins show 0.2 V as well. I really don't get this, why did it used to work and now nothing helps? There is nothing burnt or damaged on the duet itself.

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                                  dc42 administrators
                                  last edited by 7 May 2017, 09:28

                                  My best guess is that the SPI bus isn't working but I'm puzzled that there is no error message. Do you have anything connected to the expansion connector?

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                                    CoolM8
                                    last edited by 7 May 2017, 11:51

                                    Still no, as I've already said.

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                                      dc42 administrators
                                      last edited by 7 May 2017, 19:45

                                      I suggest you ask your supplier to replace the Duet.

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                                        CoolM8
                                        last edited by 12 May 2017, 16:18

                                        Well, I've gotten the replacement for the DuetWifi, but since i haven't seen any damage at my previous DuetWifi I haven't had big hopes and thats exaclty what it tourned out. No luck and everything is still the same, giving me a reading of 2000 degrees. I have even tried the solution from here: https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com/2016/06/25/more-delta-printer-upgrades-wifi-and-silence/.
                                        There was also the E3D PT100 sensor used and 4 wires were connected to the sensor wires.
                                        Now everything is new: the duet, the daughter board & the PT100, so it must be the configration. I have tried the following configs:

                                        • M305 P1 X200 (E3D and Ultimaker PT100)
                                        • M305 P1 T100000 B4725 C7.060000e-8 R4700 X200 (E3D PT100 only)
                                        • M305 P1 X201 (E3D and Ultimaker PT100)
                                        • M305 P1 T100000 B4725 C7.060000e-8 R4700 X201 (E3D PT100 only)

                                        what else could be the issue here?

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                                          deckingman
                                          last edited by 12 May 2017, 17:29

                                          Maybe it's because you've set P1 to use both channels (X200 and X201). If you've only got one PT100 and it's used on the hot end, all you need is M305 P1 X200. If you are using 2 PT100s, one for the bed and one for the hot end, then you have something like M305 P0 X200 and M305 P1 X201. You don't need the thermistor and ADC parameters for a PT 100 but those lines probably just get ignored.

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