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Vacuum formed PEI Custom Part as a Print Surface

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    saffi
    last edited by 16 May 2017, 00:56

    So out of curiosity, I called up a company that professionally makes PEI parts (mostly for medical application). My idea was that you could wrap PEI around a print bed and manufacture it as a single piece and perhaps get a nice, ready to print on surface (ideally flat aluminum wrapped in PEI).

    This wasn't something that they typically did - but they could make a custom shaped PEI part by vacuum forming.

    From what I understand, they CNC or create a mold and then vacuum form the PEI to the shape of the mold - so I got a price quoted for a 310mm diameter plate like the Rostock Printer uses. Apparently the molds are porous to allow air to pass through, so the inside (?) of the PEI shape is cloudy in texture.

    It's quite expensive for even a prototype run of parts, but once the molds are created, then the parts and labor cost is lower.

    Via their replies:

    As we discussed we could potentially form the part but this would require at least a $7.5K, if not more development investment. Parts would then probably be at least $20 each just based on material cost alone. We have 3mil, 5mil, 7mil, 15mil, 20mil PEI available.

    It's probably not something I'm going to pursue further - but it was an interesting thought to have a PEI "shell" that you could fit a glass round into and clip to your printer bed. It should keep it shape well if clipped to another flat object, but I'm not sure a vacuum formed PEI part has advantages over a simple sheet (unless perhaps the sheets tend to warp more than the vacuum forming).

    Anyway, I'm not willing to bet $7.5k upfront that a vacuum formed PEI print surface would be better than standard PEI + adhesive, but I thought I'd leave this post here for anyone else who was curious.

    Prusa i3 Style Printer with Duet WiFi, E3D Volcano, Bondtech BMG

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      Dougal1957
      last edited by 16 May 2017, 05:46

      There is a german company that makes the sort of thing you mention basically a toolplate bed with PEI surface coating (it is thought that they probably disolve PEI Granules in a solvent and then spray it onto the surface apparently this solvent is not nice to work with).

      Think it is filaprint.de https://www.filafarm.de/collections/collection-filabase/products/peibase it is not the cheapest solution around

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        briangilbert
        last edited by 18 May 2017, 00:17

        https://clever3d.de/

        You can get custom shapes made as well.. I have 8mm thick milled plate cut to shape for my delta.

        Co-creator of the Zesty Nimble direct drive extruder

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          saffi
          last edited by 23 May 2017, 14:40

          Interesting, thanks for the links

          Prusa i3 Style Printer with Duet WiFi, E3D Volcano, Bondtech BMG

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            Kulitorum
            last edited by 23 May 2017, 17:49

            You can DIY vacuum form PEI easily - with a oven and a plywood box.

            Search youtube.

            Kulitorum

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              saffi
              last edited by 24 May 2017, 00:54

              @Kulitorum:

              You can DIY vacuum form PEI easily - with a oven and a plywood box.

              Search youtube.

              Kulitorum

              Interesting. Yeah, I've been thinking PEI should melt in the oven as most conventional ovens can hit the melt temps.

              Prusa i3 Style Printer with Duet WiFi, E3D Volcano, Bondtech BMG

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                kelchm
                last edited by 31 May 2017, 19:03

                Seems like a ton of work (and expensive) compared to just using 3M 465MP to adhere PEI directly to your glass or aluminum bed.

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