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    • Phaedruxundefined
      Phaedrux Moderator @oozeBot
      last edited by

      @oozeBot I think he meant M911 for configuring what happens during power loss.

      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M911_Configure_auto_save_on_loss_of_power That's where the M18 would go.

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      • TheGovundefined
        TheGov
        last edited by

        Is there anyone who can help me with my previous post?
        Help is very much appreciated, it is basically my last step before i can start testing my printer which has been in development for the last 3 years.

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        • TheGovundefined
          TheGov @TheGov
          last edited by TheGov

          I updated the drawing

          Can someone confirm this is the way to go?
          Thanks

          duet2Relay.png

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          • oozeBotundefined
            oozeBot @TheGov
            last edited by oozeBot

            @TheGov I’m not sure if anyone wants to take the liability of telling you, for sure, that’s correct.. However, I did find another photo you could use to compare it to..

            Note- I only used two relays per stepper where you are using four..

            BDB73459-6EFE-482F-A20F-4DDC864ABAF9.jpeg

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            • oozeBotundefined
              oozeBot
              last edited by

              One more:

              B8E5409B-D5FD-446F-B139-E70EF7041BAA.jpeg

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              • TheGovundefined
                TheGov @oozeBot
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                @oozeBot

                Thanks for the pictures.
                Not really relevant for me i am afraid.

                Today i connected the relay like seen below, Z motor not working.
                Relay also does not seem to be turned on, no short on coils when power is turned off either.

                duet2Relay.png

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                • DigiDundefined
                  DigiD @TheGov
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                  @TheGov

                  Have you considered using a simple mechanical brake ?

                  Below is what is essentially used on a large industrial cutting machine that has knives loaded on the z Axis . (its a cutter I have worked on)

                  During initialization of the cutting heads the cams turn counter clockwise releasing pressure on the solenoid that is powered by the DC power supply and it pulls out of the way . Z can now work in both directions . On any loss of power the solenoid drops out and catches the pawl in an 1/8th of a turn preventing the knives dropping into the table. Its a simple reliable system . Occasionally the solenoids fail , in 10 years over a 100 machines maybe 4 have been replaced. 3 burned out and 1 had some dirt /debris stopping it from engaging the pawl

                  701c3393-ac65-49db-a416-96bad0a51a14-image.png

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                  • TheGovundefined
                    TheGov @DigiD
                    last edited by TheGov

                    @DigiD

                    Thx for the input, i actually have been think about this.
                    I bought a small solenoid for this purpose but was not able to get it working, possibly i was/am not thinking of a good implementation.

                    Solenoid.jpg

                    This is how my Z axis is driven, my solenoid design was not able to hold the axis, which made sense as soon as i tried it. Maybe you have a different idea how to implement the solenoid?

                    nema23.jpg

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                    • TheGovundefined
                      TheGov @TheGov
                      last edited by TheGov

                      I also want to state that i have spare duet (partly faulty) to do the testing on..
                      Just would like to know what i'm doing wrong.

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                      • DigiDundefined
                        DigiD @TheGov
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                        @TheGov

                        If I had to design a brake for that Z axis I would mount the solenoid on that rail the motor is attached to and then have the Pawl on the left shaft . Design and print a Pawl cam and mate it to a GT2 20 or 30 tooth sprocket that has grub screws to fix it to the shaft and design and print an interference tooth for the end of the solenoid . Since its all plastic I would use surface areas as wide as possible . Its just a rough idea but I would attempt something like this

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                        those flanges for the GT pulley apparently are not that hard to take off and put back on again once that printed piece is fitted on

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