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    • Luke'sLaboratoryundefined
      Luke'sLaboratory @Veti
      last edited by Luke'sLaboratory

      @Veti Depending on the actual thermistors they could be, but having all 3 be identical is suspect for sure! - would need validation to be 100% sure. For relay outputs, any output is fine, I prefer to use a connectorized output for my SSR ones.

      Luke
      http://lukeslab.online

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      • Vetiundefined
        Veti @Luke'sLaboratory
        last edited by

        @Luke-sLaboratory

        B4138 thermistors have not been used in years. so its very unlikely that its correct.

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        • Luke'sLaboratoryundefined
          Luke'sLaboratory @Veti
          last edited by

          @Veti Fair, I have some in a cabinet somewhere as a backup to my backup's backups. 😄

          Luke
          http://lukeslab.online

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          • jrocklandundefined
            jrockland @jay_s_uk
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            @jay_s_uk Jan 14 00:00:09 raspberrypi rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="8.1901.0" x-pid="388" x-info="https://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed
            Jan 14 00:00:10 raspberrypi systemd[1]: man-db.service: Succeeded.
            Jan 14 00:00:10 raspberrypi systemd[1]: Started Daily man-db regeneration.
            Jan 14 00:02:30 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [warn] Lost connection to Duet (Board is not available (no header))
            Jan 14 00:02:30 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [info] Connection to Duet established
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: bits received from HRNG source: 480064
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: bits sent to kernel pool: 424096
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: entropy added to kernel pool: 424096
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2 successes: 24
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2 failures: 0
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Monobit: 0
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Poker: 0
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Runs: 0
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Long run: 0
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Continuous run: 0
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: HRNG source speed: (min=238.614; avg=440.907; max=492.430)Kibits/s
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS tests speed: (min=3.285; avg=14.301; max=31.423)Mibits/s
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: Lowest ready-buffers level: 2
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: Entropy starvations: 0
            Jan 14 00:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: Time spent starving for entropy: (min=0; avg=0.000; max=0)us
            Jan 14 00:17:01 raspberrypi CRON[32185]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
            Jan 14 00:25:30 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [warn] Lost connection to Duet (Board is not available (no header))
            Jan 14 00:25:30 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [info] Connection to Duet established
            Jan 14 00:32:49 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [warn] Lost connection to Duet (Board is not available (no header))
            Jan 14 00:32:49 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [info] Connection to Duet established
            Jan 14 00:51:21 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [warn] Bad header CRC32 (expected 0x6d61620f, got 0x45d967fb)
            Jan 14 00:51:21 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [warn] Note: RepRapFirmware didn't receive valid data either (code 0x00000005)
            Jan 14 00:56:55 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [warn] Bad header CRC32 (expected 0xd5e94b60, got 0x4319b529)
            Jan 14 00:56:55 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [warn] Note: RepRapFirmware didn't receive valid data either (code 0x00000005)
            Jan 14 01:04:29 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [warn] Lost connection to Duet (Board is not available (no header))
            Jan 14 01:04:29 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [info] Connection to Duet established
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: bits received from HRNG source: 500064
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: bits sent to kernel pool: 454336
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: entropy added to kernel pool: 454336
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2 successes: 25
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2 failures: 0
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Monobit: 0
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Poker: 0
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Runs: 0
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Long run: 0
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Continuous run: 0
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: HRNG source speed: (min=238.614; avg=440.930; max=492.430)Kibits/s
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS tests speed: (min=3.285; avg=14.314; max=31.423)Mibits/s
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: Lowest ready-buffers level: 2
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: Entropy starvations: 0
            Jan 14 01:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: Time spent starving for entropy: (min=0; avg=0.000; max=0)us
            Jan 14 01:17:01 raspberrypi CRON[3031]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
            Jan 14 01:30:42 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [error] Heater 1 fault: temperature excursion exceeded 15.0°C (target 90.0°C, actual 128.2°C)
            Jan 14 01:30:42 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [info] Job has been paused at byte 8469316, reason HeaterFault
            Jan 14 01:30:42 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [info] Starting macro file pause.g on channel Autopause
            Jan 14 01:30:42 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [info] Finished macro file pause.g
            Jan 14 01:30:46 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [info] Printing paused at X182.6 Y50.4 Z40.6 U10.0 V10.0
            Jan 14 01:40:42 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [info] Cancelled printing file 0:/gcodes/MEGATOR P1.gcode, print time was 8h 15m
            Jan 14 01:40:42 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [error] Shutting down due to un-cleared heater fault after 600 seconds
            Jan 14 01:59:09 raspberrypi systemd[1]: Starting Daily apt download activities...
            Jan 14 01:59:11 raspberrypi systemd[1]: apt-daily.service: Succeeded.
            Jan 14 01:59:11 raspberrypi systemd[1]: Started Daily apt download activities.
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: bits received from HRNG source: 540064
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: bits sent to kernel pool: 484096
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: entropy added to kernel pool: 484096
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2 successes: 27
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2 failures: 0
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Monobit: 0
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Poker: 0
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Runs: 0
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Long run: 0
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS 140-2(2001-10-10) Continuous run: 0
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: HRNG source speed: (min=238.614; avg=443.777; max=492.430)Kibits/s
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: FIPS tests speed: (min=3.285; avg=14.223; max=31.423)Mibits/s
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: Lowest ready-buffers level: 2
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: Entropy starvations: 0
            Jan 14 02:04:45 raspberrypi rngd[377]: stats: Time spent starving for entropy: (min=0; avg=0.000; max=0)us

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti @jrockland
              last edited by

              @jrockland said in IMPORTANT ISSUE with bed temp controller:

              Jan 14 01:30:42 raspberrypi DuetControlServer[14574]: [error] Heater 1 fault: temperature excursion exceeded 15.0°C (target 90.0°C, actual 128.2°C)

              this suggest a failure of the relay

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              • Luke'sLaboratoryundefined
                Luke'sLaboratory @jrockland
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                @jrockland said in IMPORTANT ISSUE with bed temp controller:

                pberrypi rngd[377]: stats: bits sent to kernel pool: 484096
                Jan 14 02:04:45 raspb

                My take from this is that it shut down the duet after 10 min of heater fault, and if the relays need a high signal to turn off, by having no signal (from a shut down duet) it just stayed on and caused the issue.

                Luke
                http://lukeslab.online

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                • jrocklandundefined
                  jrockland @Veti
                  last edited by

                  @Veti didnt understand the first part but Ill change it to out.0

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                  • Vetiundefined
                    Veti @jrockland
                    last edited by

                    @jrockland said in IMPORTANT ISSUE with bed temp controller:

                    didnt understand the first part

                    it means your bed will be reporting the wrong temperature.
                    it will display 100C but it wont be 100C

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                    • jrocklandundefined
                      jrockland @Luke'sLaboratory
                      last edited by

                      @Luke-sLaboratory I dont know what SSR mean, but they look like normal relays to me.

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                      • Vetiundefined
                        Veti @jrockland
                        last edited by

                        @jrockland said in IMPORTANT ISSUE with bed temp controller:

                        SSR

                        Solid State Relay.
                        Using cheap ones is a sure way to burn your house down.

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                        • Luke'sLaboratoryundefined
                          Luke'sLaboratory
                          last edited by

                          @jrockland https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_thermistors_or_PT1000_temperature_sensors - Relevant documentation.

                          I'd take a serious look at what relays you are using (whether they're SSR's or traditional) the correct switching frequency, which thermistors you actually have in all of your machines, and the configuration of using a high Signal from the duet to turn relays off.

                          Preferably you'd drop the frequency to ~10hz (by adding a Q10 to your M950 where you set up the output for out3 (or out1)), and reconfigure/aquire new relays that require a high signal from the duet to turn on. That way, if your duet goes offline for whatever reason, your relays will not turn on.

                          Next I'd definitely recommend high-quality SSRs. Cheap/underrated/undercooled ones will latch on and have the exact behavior that may have caused this issue in the first place. Thats why I was looking for specifics on the relays used.

                          Luke
                          http://lukeslab.online

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                          • jrocklandundefined
                            jrockland @Luke'sLaboratory
                            last edited by

                            @Luke-sLaboratory the board send a ON signal as soon as I power it up if I remove the "!".. Ill need the tech to look into that asap. seem like it working the wrong way.

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                            • Luke'sLaboratoryundefined
                              Luke'sLaboratory @jrockland
                              last edited by Luke'sLaboratory

                              @jrockland Do you mean that your relay turns on if you take off the ! from the duet config? or is the duet's output turning on when you remove the !

                              Luke
                              http://lukeslab.online

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                              • jrocklandundefined
                                jrockland @Luke'sLaboratory
                                last edited by

                                @Luke-sLaboratory not the ssr's, im testing the board with a meter right now. relays had been tested and work good.

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                                • jrocklandundefined
                                  jrockland @Veti
                                  last edited by

                                  @Veti yea I looked at the picture and it is what we use.

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                                  • Vetiundefined
                                    Veti
                                    last edited by

                                    @jrockland said in IMPORTANT ISSUE with bed temp controller:

                                    yea I looked at the picture and it is what we use.

                                    what picture?

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                                    • jrocklandundefined
                                      jrockland @Luke'sLaboratory
                                      last edited by

                                      @Luke-sLaboratory the relay turn off as soon as they are not fed power

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                                      • jrocklandundefined
                                        jrockland @Veti
                                        last edited by

                                        @Veti looked online for ssr relays

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                                        • jrocklandundefined
                                          jrockland @Veti
                                          last edited by

                                          @Veti you are right, they are ntc 3950. Ill have to find out how to change that

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                                          • Vetiundefined
                                            Veti @jrockland
                                            last edited by

                                            @jrockland said in IMPORTANT ISSUE with bed temp controller:

                                            ntc 3950

                                            they are not the best and become inaccurate at high temperatures.

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