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Duet3 6CH + 3CH expansion board - Missing steps.

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    Luke'sLaboratory @evomotors
    last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 01:26

    @evomotors

    @dc42 said:

    So I am still not seeing any loss of XY done vs. requested steps, only a loss of 0.14% of E steps. This is with pressure advance set to zero. OTOH there have been 2226 lost CAN messages, presumably mostly movement messages, so moves will have been lost.

    Luke
    http://lukeslab.online

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      evomotors @dc42
      last edited by 18 Jan 2021, 14:21

      @dc42 do you have any time estimates? I’m wondering when I’ll be able to print.

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        evomotors
        last edited by 19 Jan 2021, 18:48

        Can I have some updates? Please...

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          Phaedrux Moderator
          last edited by 19 Jan 2021, 18:52

          Still being worked on. Thanks for your patience.

          Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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            Multisaft
            last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 13:09

            I would like to tell u that ur not alone with this issue. My colleague and myself have exactly the same problem. Connecting xy to the expansion board and we had what u have shown on ur Youtube Video. Switching back to the Mainboard and everything is fine.

            Unfortunately we need also 7 motors driven to print. Now we have the extruder on the expansion board and have the issue there.

            It's nice to see that dc is working on it now especially because I have this problem since the board was officially released... It's some time now.

            Fingers crossed that there is a solution soon.

            Best regards.
            Multisaft

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              dc42 administrators
              last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 13:26

              @Multisaft, it's likely that the changes already made in 3.3beta will fix the issue for you. The issue I am pinning down now occurs when all of XYE are on the same expansion board and there is a very high rate of very short moves sent to the board. Even if 3.3beta doesn't fix the issue, the improved diagnostics will reveal what is going on.

              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                Multisaft @dc42
                last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 13:29

                @dc42 ty, we will try it.

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                  dc42 administrators
                  last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 14:15

                  Good progress today. I had been assuming that the remaining problem seen by @evomotors was caused by the expansion board firmware being too slow, so over the past few days I have been making it more efficient. But additional diagnostics reveal that it's a problem with the way the main board firmware is scheduling CAN moves. With this particular file it's sending the expansion board some moves which are impossible to execute in time. Main board firmware is easier to debug than expansion board firmware, so tracking down why shouldn't take long.

                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                    dc42 administrators
                    last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 15:36

                    I've located the problem and tested a provisional fix. It affects systems using CAN expansion boards that have DAA enabled.

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                      evomotors @dc42
                      last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 15:52

                      @dc42 said in Duet3 6CH + 3CH expansion board - Missing steps.:

                      I've located the problem and tested a provisional fix. It affects systems using CAN expansion boards that have DAA enabled.

                      When and how can I test?

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                        dc42 administrators
                        last edited by dc42 20 Jan 2021, 17:14

                        I've put new Duet 3 MB6HC firmware in https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wme9k0z86sytg33/AAAT6wrHp2eeJHK-dYoW1Um4a?dl=0. I expect it to work well with the EXP3HC firmware already there. I am testing with newer EXP3HC firmware, but it is still somewhat experimental.

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                          evomotors @dc42
                          last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 17:33

                          @dc42 said in Duet3 6CH + 3CH expansion board - Missing steps.:

                          I've put new Duet 3 MB6HC firmware in https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wme9k0z86sytg33/AAAT6wrHp2eeJHK-dYoW1Um4a?dl=0. I expect it to work well with the EXP3HC firmware already there. I am testing with newer EXP3HC firmware, but it is still somewhat experimental.

                          I started the test print with the early 3.3beta that you are posted last week and DAA disabled. Then I will upgrade to the new 6CH and try again.

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                            evomotors
                            last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 17:41

                            @dc42 Is it possible that pressure advance has the same issue on expansion and tool boards?

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                              dc42 administrators @evomotors
                              last edited by dc42 20 Jan 2021, 18:24

                              @evomotors said in Duet3 6CH + 3CH expansion board - Missing steps.:

                              @dc42 Is it possible that pressure advance has the same issue on expansion and tool boards?

                              It's not pressure advance that triggers the problem I found today, it's DAA. Pressure advance will not trigger it. I ran the section of your test file that I have been using to replicate the problem with pressure advance enabled.

                              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                                evomotors @dc42
                                last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 18:33

                                @dc42 said in Duet3 6CH + 3CH expansion board - Missing steps.:

                                @evomotors said in Duet3 6CH + 3CH expansion board - Missing steps.:

                                @dc42 Is it possible that pressure advance has the same issue on expansion and tool boards?

                                It's not pressure advance that triggers the problem I found today, it's DAA. Pressure advance will not trigger it. I ran the section of your test file that I have been using to replicate the problem with pressure advance enabled.

                                I can confirm that stuttering XY moves are gone with M593 disabled. No more layer shifts. I will still complete the print to see if issue with extrusions irregularity is gone as well.

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                                  dc42 administrators
                                  last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 19:30

                                  @evomotors, thanks for your preliminary results.

                                  I've now put the latest expansion and tool boards firmwares in that folder at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wme9k0z86sytg33/AAAT6wrHp2eeJHK-dYoW1Um4a?dl=0. The older versions are in the "Previous-16-Jan-21" subfolder.

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    T3P3Tony administrators
                                    last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 21:38

                                    @evomotors Testing with your config with DAA enabled is not showing any errors on the bench setup. did you get a chance to test it on the printer?

                                    www.duet3d.com

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                                      evomotors @T3P3Tony
                                      last edited by 20 Jan 2021, 22:29

                                      @T3P3Tony said in Duet3 6CH + 3CH expansion board - Missing steps.:

                                      @evomotors Testing with your config with DAA enabled is not showing any errors on the bench setup. did you get a chance to test it on the printer?

                                      I didn't update to latest that @dc42 uploaded. But on pervious early 3.3 betta issue stops only when DAA is disabled. And yes I'm testing life on the printer.

                                      I will upgrade to fresh build little late today.

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                                        evomotors
                                        last edited by 21 Jan 2021, 21:49

                                        @dc42 @T3P3Tony The issue is fixed in the last 3.3 build! Tested with DAA enabled and print looks great (didn't look into the diagnostic messages) . Thank you!

                                        Do you want me to mark this as answered?

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                                          deckingman @evomotors
                                          last edited by 21 Jan 2021, 22:30

                                          @evomotors said in Duet3 6CH + 3CH expansion board - Missing steps.:

                                          @dc42 @T3P3Tony The issue is fixed in the last 3.3 build! Tested with DAA enabled and print looks great (didn't look into the diagnostic messages) . Thank you!

                                          Do you want me to mark this as answered?

                                          I'm pleased for you that your issues have been resolved. For myself, I've given up and "mothballed" my printer.

                                          Maybe I'll pick it up again in 6 months or so but I've been battling firmware issues and coming up with "work arounds" since July 2019 and still have problems that need more work arounds. I've had enough...........

                                          Ian
                                          https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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