Auto Tool Height Measurement

Veti

interesting concept. how is the repeatability of the button?

Terry

Ok, setting and resetting the endstops in the macro allows me to sense the button press but unfortunately G1 H4 doesn't do what I expected. It seems that what it does is travel until the switch is triggered and then sets the user position to the value of the move that was commanded.

This means that I lose my original calibration and thus can't calculate a position.

I need a way to move until a switch is triggered without any side effects?

Terry

@Veti Not able to test yet for this specific manufacturer, but there are commercial machines that use these switches for this purpose, so I expect it to be as repeatable as a microswitch.

fcwilt

@Terry said in Auto Tool Height Measurement:

Ok, setting and resetting the endstops in the macro allows me to sense the button press but unfortunately G1 H4 doesn't do what I expected. It seems that what it does is travel until the switch is triggered and then sets the user position to the value of the move that was commanded.

This means that I lose my original calibration and thus can't calculate a position.

I need a way to move until a switch is triggered without any side effects?

How about:

H3 terminate the move when the endstop switch is triggered and set the axis limit to the current position, overriding the value that was set by M208.

Then you can use M208 to put things back as they should be.

Frederick

Terry

H3 appears to do the same as H4, but also changes the min travel extent value.

I think this maybe a bug as that isn't the expected behaviour.

fcwilt

@Terry said in Auto Tool Height Measurement:

H3 appears to do the same as H4, but also changes the min travel extent value.

I think this maybe a bug as that isn't the expected behaviour.

~~If it does that it would seem to be a bug - nothing in the docs suggests it should do that.~~

What firmware version are you using?

I have 3.2.2 and can test that.

Frederick

Terry

Thanks. I am on 3.2.0 currently and this axis and switches are on a Duet 3 Expansion 3HC board.

Terry

On a typical CNC platform, I would expect at least 3 triggers per axis.

Endstops would be min and max travel indicators and would be continuously active unless explicitly disabled so they could stop motion before a physical collision (the machine may also include emergency stop cutouts at the physical limits to cut power in a runaway controller scenario). It should be possible to detect unexpected over-travel as a result of lost steps and recover by re-homing.

One or more reference triggers should also exist, for accurate and efficient homing. These should be inboard of the travel limits to avoid harm to the machine during homing operations and may sit in the middle of the travel range to enable efficient re-calibration during long operations. Typically they would only be active during reference operations.

Endstops need to be active during homing in case the assumed start position or travel direction is wrong.

Single active endstop-as-home-reference is a cost-saving hack that is acceptable for a $500 3D printer but can result in injury or physical damage to the machine in larger and more powerful setups, so it would be nice if we could support best practice in the future?

fcwilt

@Terry said in Auto Tool Height Measurement:

Thanks. I am on 3.2.0 currently and this axis and switches are on a Duet 3 Expansion 3HC board.

Could you use G60 along with G1 moves with the R parameter to obtain the desired result?

Frederick

fcwilt

@Terry said in Auto Tool Height Measurement:

Endstops would be min and max travel indicators and would be continuously active unless explicitly disabled so they could stop motion before a physical collision

You can do that with triggers. From one of my printers:

; ****************************************************************************************************
; external buttons (P = pin #, T = trigger #, R = when to trigger (0 = always, 1 = printing), S = what edge (I->A = 1, A->I = 0, -1 = ignored)
; --- T0 does emergency stop
; --- T1 does pause (see M25)
; --- T# runs macro trigger#.g
; ****************************************************************************************************

M950 J2 C"!^duex.e6stop"
M581 P2 T0 R0 S0			; does emergency stop

M950 J1 C"^e0stop"
M581 P1 T2 R0 S0			; runs trigger2 which does M999 (board reset)

fcwilt

@Terry said in Auto Tool Height Measurement:

Ok, setting and resetting the endstops in the macro allows me to sense the button press but unfortunately G1 H4 doesn't do what I expected. It seems that what it does is travel until the switch is triggered and then sets the user position to the value of the move that was commanded.

I think I did not understand what you were saying.

With G1 H4 and G1 H3 the axis is at some position when the end stop is triggered - this position should be what appears in the DWC.

Does that not happen?

Frederick

Terry

With both G1 H3 and G1 H4, the machine and user positions are overwritten as soon as the switch is triggered. In absolute mode, the axis value is set equal to the destination value that was commanded in the move. In relative mode, the axis position value is set to 1.

So, for example, starting at machine coordinate V=50 and commanding G1 H4 V2, the axis will move towards V=2 but if the switch is pressed before it gets there, motion will stop and the current position of V will be declared to be V=2, changing the calibration.

Terry

@fcwilt G60 wouldn't work because calibration is lost.

Terry

@fcwilt Triggers can't stop motion in a controlled manner, so at best you can call an emergency stop and lose system calibration. This is why endstop circuitry needs to exist inside the motion control loop - the endstop triggers need to be interrupts that can cancel motion at very low latency without losing position.

fcwilt

@Terry said in Auto Tool Height Measurement:

@fcwilt G60 wouldn't work because calibration is lost.

How so?

If you save the current position and then return to it how does that affect calibration?

Frederick

Terry

G60 would store a position relative to the calibration referenced against the fixed endstop. Any move detecting the mobile endstop will cause the axis to re-reference against that position. Any subsequent G2 R would return to a saved position relative to the new calibration, so not the original absolute position in the machine framework.

fcwilt

@Terry said in Auto Tool Height Measurement:

G60 would store a position relative to the calibration referenced against the fixed endstop. Any move detecting the mobile endstop will cause the axis to re-reference against that position. Any subsequent G2 R would return to a saved position relative to the new calibration, so not the original absolute position in the machine framework.

Under firmware 3.2.2 I did a H3 move.

When the end stop was triggered the movement stopped and the M208 setting for Z min was updated using the Z position at the moment the end stop was triggered.

How does that cause the reference for the axis to change?

Frederick

Terry

But did your machine and user position for that axis also change?

Terry

This will only be visible if you are testing against an endstop that is different to the one you referenced from in your homing move...

Terry

For clarity, I home in the positive direction (but physically downwards) for my axis and reference this as the highest axis distance. I then swap out the high end endstop for the low end endstop and probe in the negative direction (physically upwards) until the switch hits the tool.

This recalibrates the axis position to the target value that was in the move command, losing the information about how far I have actually moved in the original coordinate system.