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    • joekoundefined
      joeko
      last edited by joeko

      i have checked the wiring again.
      it stays that fan is sensible if the current drops and the curent drops when i heat up the nozzle. when i connect the fan to always on and heat the nozzle is it the same. the fan stop spinning until heating has stoped. in web control it looks like the voltage drop to 23,8v but is this too much ?

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      • SIamundefined
        SIam @joeko
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        @joeko if a power supply drops the voltage it can (not must) be a sign that your Printer consumes to much power. How much Watt can your power supply deliver? Is your heating bed connected to this power supply if yes how much Watt it needs? What for hotend heater you use (watt)?

        Hypercube-Evolution-Hybrid, Piezo Orion, Orbiter
        Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
        RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27 11:30:36)
        Duet WiFi Server: 1.26
        Duet Web Control 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27)

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        • joekoundefined
          joeko @SIam
          last edited by joeko

          @siam said in hotend fan on only when hotend stop heating:

          @joeko if a power supply drops the voltage it can (not must) be a sign that your Printer consumes to much power. How much Watt can your power supply deliver? Is your heating bed connected to this power supply if yes how much Watt it needs? What for hotend heater you use (watt)?

          the power suppy has 350w. a meanvell. the bed is connected (without ssr) to the power supply this all happen with bed heater off. the hotend is an e3d with 40w and 24v.

          but a 350w power supply is not enough for the duet, one fan and the 40w e3d hotend ? that the fan is sensible for current droping is ok but it is normal that the current drops when i heat the nozzle ?

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          • SIamundefined
            SIam @joeko
            last edited by

            @joeko if you only power up the hotend + fan + steppers the power supply should not drop the voltage.
            What happens when you heat up the hotend and the heating bed at the same time is the voltage then stable on 23.3 Volts or is the drop bigger ?

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            Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
            RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27 11:30:36)
            Duet WiFi Server: 1.26
            Duet Web Control 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27)

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            • joekoundefined
              joeko @SIam
              last edited by joeko

              @siam said in hotend fan on only when hotend stop heating:

              @joeko if you only power up the hotend + fan + steppers the power supply should not drop the voltage.
              What happens when you heat up the hotend and the heating bed at the same time is the voltage then stable on 23.3 Volts or is the drop bigger ?

              when i heat up the bed and nozzle at the same time (but than the board heat first the nozzle and than the bed) the voltage drop to 23.8v and not deeper. droping to 23.3v was only yesterday as i connected an 12v hotendfan with an step down modul. than the power supply was huming and the voltage droped to 23.3v. and again now, stop heating the nozzle (with an other 40x10 24v fan) than the fan speed goes higher

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              • joekoundefined
                joeko
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                hello,
                strange, i replaced the fan and made an test. than the 1a fuse ploped and was broken. also the nozzle became hotter and hotter. but after restart the printer the fans stil running without the fuse .....is the 1a fuse not for the fans ? also as i connected a 12v fan with an stepdown converter the current of the power supply droped to 22v and the stepdown modul became hot. later i connected an fan to fan2 without config the config settings and from the fan2 connector on the boards i saw short lightning. how is it possible that the fans running (also always on) without the 1a fuse ?

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                • Phaedruxundefined
                  Phaedrux Moderator @Phaedrux
                  last edited by Phaedrux

                  @phaedrux said in hotend fan on only when hotend stop heating:

                  Can you show a diagram of how you have things connected?

                  Or a photo?

                  What PCB version of Duet do you have? There should be a number silk screened onto the board.

                  Which fuse blew?

                  b81cdbfa-410d-4c96-a918-b3728628f342-image.png

                  If something is blowing I think you have a short somewhere and should be very careful about blowing the whole board. Take it all apart and slowly put it back together testing as you go.

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                  • joekoundefined
                    joeko @Phaedrux
                    last edited by

                    @phaedrux said in hotend fan on only when hotend stop heating:

                    @phaedrux said in hotend fan on only when hotend stop heating:

                    Can you show a diagram of how you have things connected?

                    Or a photo?

                    What PCB version of Duet do you have? There should be a number silk screened onto the board.

                    this is an clone....first time i own an clone and than this....
                    but i ordered today an genue duet3 mini 5. the 1 ampere fuse blew

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                    • joekoundefined
                      joeko @Phaedrux
                      last edited by joeko

                      @phaedrux said in hotend fan on only when hotend stop heating:

                      @phaedrux said in hotend fan on only when hotend stop heating:

                      Can you show a diagram of how you have things connected?

                      Or a photo?

                      What PCB version of Duet do you have? There should be a number silk screened onto the board.

                      Which fuse blew?

                      b81cdbfa-410d-4c96-a918-b3728628f342-image.png

                      If something is blowing I think you have a short somewhere and should be very careful about blowing the whole board. Take it all apart and slowly put it back together testing as you go.

                      yes i take all apart and conect only heater and fan but the same. new fuse blew again and the fan still runs. and why drop the power supply to 22v with step down modul on fans but not on the sbc ?

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                      • Phaedruxundefined
                        Phaedrux Moderator
                        last edited by

                        Yes but which fuse blew? Does your board have 2 fuses? One for vin and one for the fans?

                        If the fan fuse blew and the fans are still running then it wasn't actually the fan fuse? Or the clone is really really bad.

                        Either way, a photo would be helpful to see.

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                        • joekoundefined
                          joeko @Phaedrux
                          last edited by

                          @phaedrux said in hotend fan on only when hotend stop heating:

                          Yes but which fuse blew? Does your board have 2 fuses? One for vin and one for the fans?

                          If the fan fuse blew and the fans are still running then it wasn't actually the fan fuse? Or the clone is really really bad.

                          Either way, a photo would be helpful to see.

                          yes the board has two fans like on your picture. it is the 1a fan fuse. at the moment the board is not installed. here are some pictures! the blew fuse is not installed on the picture20210411_122546.jpg 20210411_122604.jpg 20210412_200545.jpg

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                          • joekoundefined
                            joeko
                            last edited by

                            i replaced the clone to an genuine duet3 mini5+. fan + heater etc run well now. also power supply is stable now

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