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    • jaydevdaveundefined
      jaydevdave
      last edited by

      Hi,

      We are using 2 ball-screw, 2 LM guide and 2 Motors in Z Axis.

      1. With only one Ball screw and one LM, one 5.5Kgcm stepper motor can able to take the load.
      2. But with with 2 Ball screw and 2 LM parallel with each other, 2 same motor is not able to take the load.

      I think there must be issue with synchronization of two motors.
      Any one know how to resolve it ?

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      • dc42undefined
        dc42 administrators
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        Why have you wired your two Z motors in parallel, when we already provide 2 Z motor connectors wired in series on the Duets? We wired them in series for a reason - so that each motor gets the full current, not half the current.

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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        • jaydevdaveundefined
          jaydevdave
          last edited by

          Sir we have wired the motor in two different pins only, in series.

          our problem is when we run it in rapid (F6000) it will run 10-12mm and will stuck.

          with one motor Z Axis can run on F6000 Speed rate.

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          • dc42undefined
            dc42 administrators
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            100mm/sec is very fast for a Z axis. I expect the driver supply voltage isn't high enough to maintain sufficient torque at high speeds, especially with 2 motors in series. See https://duet3d.com/wiki/Choosing_stepper_motors#How_to_work_out_the_power_supply_voltage_you_need.

            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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            • jaydevdaveundefined
              jaydevdave
              last edited by

              What is the maximum speed at which my printer can run, having stepper motors (1.5A current), torque 5.5kg/cm2 and using external power supply 24V?

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              • jaydevdaveundefined
                jaydevdave
                last edited by

                Duet's X Y Z Motor Drivers and its capacity is same or different ?

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                • deckingmanundefined
                  deckingman
                  last edited by

                  @jaydevdave:

                  What is the maximum speed at which my printer can run, having stepper motors (1.5A current), torque 5.5kg/cm2 and using external power supply 24V?

                  That depends on the mass you are trying to move, the rate at which you accelerate it and the length of the move. Also for printing moves, the speed will be limited by the rate at which you can extrude filament which in turn is dependent of how fast you can melt the filament.

                  Ian
                  https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                  https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                  • deckingmanundefined
                    deckingman
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                    @jaydevdave:

                    Duet's X Y Z Motor Drivers and its capacity is same or different ?

                    The driver chips are the same for all axes.

                    Ian
                    https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                    https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                    • jaydevdaveundefined
                      jaydevdave
                      last edited by

                      Even on no-load condition, the two Z motors are not able to generate sufficient torque. Rated current being 1.5A with a torque of 5.5kg/cm2 and using 24V supply. What could be the reason for it? And what could be the solution for the same? Should I increase supply voltage or should use Motors with higher rated current?
                      Please find the link to the video wherein no-load condition the z motors are not generating proper torque.

                      https://drive.google.com/open?id=1I50zJb8WMD2IF8rmksil2842Gv6Ds2Q4

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                      • deckingmanundefined
                        deckingman
                        last edited by

                        No doubt David will be along soon but from that video I'd say there has to be something wrong with either one of the motors or the wiring.

                        Ian
                        https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                        https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                        • jaydevdaveundefined
                          jaydevdave
                          last edited by

                          The same motors run when connected on X and Y axis respectively and that too with high speed of 100mm per second.

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                          • dc42undefined
                            dc42 administrators
                            last edited by

                            @jaydevdave:

                            What is the maximum speed at which my printer can run, having stepper motors (1.5A current), torque 5.5kg/cm2 and using external power supply 24V?

                            See the link that I posted in my previous reply for how to calculate this.

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                            • dc42undefined
                              dc42 administrators
                              last edited by

                              @jaydevdave:

                              Duet's X Y Z Motor Drivers and its capacity is same or different ?

                              All the same.

                              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                              • jaydevdaveundefined
                                jaydevdave
                                last edited by

                                The same motors run when connected on X and Y axis respectively and that too with high speed of 100mm per second. why so?

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                                • dc42undefined
                                  dc42 administrators
                                  last edited by

                                  @jaydevdave:

                                  The same motors run when connected on X and Y axis respectively and that too with high speed of 100mm per second.

                                  The maximum speed achievable is lower when you have two motors wired in series. But why are you trying to run your Z axis at 100mm/sec? Z doesn't need to move fast.

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                                  • jaydevdaveundefined
                                    jaydevdave
                                    last edited by

                                    We having two Y motors which have been swapped with the Z axis. So Two Y motors being connected at the Z axis and we need the speed of 100mm/sec.
                                    Stepper motors Rating 1.5A
                                    Power supply 24V.
                                    How can it be achieved?

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                                    • dc42undefined
                                      dc42 administrators
                                      last edited by

                                      Try connecting them in parallel to just 1 of the connectors instead of in series using both connectors, and setting the current to 2A.

                                      EDIT: alternatively, if you have any spare motor driver outputs left, connect them to separate outputs, use M584 to tell the firmware to drive both together, and use the existing current setting.

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                                      • jaydevdaveundefined
                                        jaydevdave
                                        last edited by

                                        Driving both the motors from a single connection(parallel) instead of two is safe? I hope it won't burn out the driver right?

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                                        • jaydevdaveundefined
                                          jaydevdave
                                          last edited by

                                          We having two Y motors which have been swapped with the Z axis. So Two Y motors being connected at the Z axis and we need the speed of 100mm/sec.
                                          Tried what dc42 mentioned in the previous comments. We do not have extra driver nor it is working in parallel connection.
                                          Should we increase the power supply or should I use 3A rated stepper motors?

                                          Current motor having rating of 1.5A
                                          Torque 5.5kg/cm2
                                          Power supply 24V.

                                          How to do it?

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                                          • dc42undefined
                                            dc42 administrators
                                            last edited by

                                            Like I said, connect them in parallel to a single stepper motor output, and try 2A current. The drivers are current-limited so it is safe.

                                            What is the steps/mm for that axis?

                                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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