Mesh bed and bltouch

gideon

@AS-3D:

I dont know what type of Printer you use, but if it is like my a D-Bot or something with 2 Leadscews it could be that on the left Side the bed is more down than on the right side.

My looks like this: https://i.gyazo.com/63ffba61ad041de3afed527bebcb9fa1.png
But i don't know what Mean error or RMS error is.

sorry i for get the type, a have a hypercube

dc42

Yes that does look odd. What M557 command are you using to define the grid?

Mean error is the average error. A lage mean error could indicate that your Z homing position is not accurate. RMS error is the root-mean-square (a type of average) deviation from the mean, which indicates how much the bed or printing plane deviates from being flat.

gideon

hello, dc42
I use this, in the config
; Endstops
M574 X1 Y1 S0; Set of active low endstops
M574 Z1 S2; Set endstops controlled by probe
M307 H3 A-1 C-1 D-1; bltouch
M558 P5 X0 Y0 Z1 H3 F100 T5000; bltouch
;M558 P5 X0 Y0 Z1 H4 F400 T2000
;G31 P25 X0 Y0 Z2.32
G31 X0 Y0 Z0.47 P25; bltouch
M557 X5: 395 Y5: 395 S85; Define mesh grid

and do G29
if I do this several times in a row I get to see different values each time

I also have my height map
RepRapFirmware height map file v2, mean error -0.330, deviation 0.278
xmin, xmax, ymin, ymax, radius, xspacing, yspacing, xnum, ynum
5.00,395.00,5.00,395.00, -1.00,85.00,85.00,5,5
-0,345, -0,352, -0,480, -0,640, -0,987
-0.400, -0.270, -0.227, -0.252, -0.412
-0.502, -0.285, -0.115, 0.012, -0.042
-0.725, -0.460, -0.240, -0.010, 0.162
-0.827, -0.548, -0.322, -0.065, 0.090

if I do 2x G29 consecutively then it is different every time.
this normally would not matter much with each other.

I would like to receive advice on what can not be right,
my printer is a hypercube a corey xy
with 2z motors not separately fed
Best regards
gideon

dc42

If you are getting different results every time, I can see two likely causes:

1. Your bltouch is not triggering at a consistent height.

2. Your motion system is not repositioning the probe at a consistent position and height.

Here is a script (my thanks to Russ Gries for it) to test the reproducibility of the probe trigger height, by probing the same point 32 times:

; Probe testing single point. 
G30 P0 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P1 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P2 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P3 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P4 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P5 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P6 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P7 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P8 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P9 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P10 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P11 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P12 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P13 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P14 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P15 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P16 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P17 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P18 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P19 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P20 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P21 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P22 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P23 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P24 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P25 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P26 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P27 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P28 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P29 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P30 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P31 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 S-1

Save it as a macro and run it. If X0 Y0 is not a good point to probe on your printer, change those coordinates in every line to something that is.

gideon

hello dc42
thanks for your reply.
I'm going to try out the macro tomorrow and I'll let you know if my bltouch works well,
if not then I am going to think about the ir probe https://www.duet3d.com/DuetAddons/IRProbe
to purchase, and hope it works better than the bltouch,

bartolomeus

@dc42:

If you are getting different results every time, I can see two likely causes:

1. Your bltouch is not triggering at a consistent height.

2. Your motion system is not repositioning the probe at a consistent position and height.

Here is a script (my thanks to Russ Gries for it) to test the reproducibility of the probe trigger height, by probing the same point 32 times:
; Probe testing single point. 
G30 P0 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P1 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P2 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P3 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P4 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P5 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P6 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P7 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P8 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P9 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P10 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P11 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P12 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P13 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P14 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P15 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P16 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P17 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P18 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P19 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P20 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P21 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P22 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P23 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P24 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P25 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P26 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P27 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P28 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P29 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000
G30 P30 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 
G30 P31 X0 Y0 Z-99999 F2000 S-1
Save it as a macro and run it. If X0 Y0 is not a good point to probe on your printer, change those coordinates in every line to something that is.

F2000 is the speed right? Isn't that too fast for the bltouch?

I have found that if you want to run G29 consecutively, for the next run you should first Disable Bed Compensation and then re-home Z. Else, you will get different results.

dc42

I don't know the BLTouch, but i agree, F2000 is rather high. Try 300 or 600.

gideon

Hello i will try F3 a 600. Towmorrow. Thanks for the advise

gideon

Hey,
I ran the macro,
see here what came out
F300
G32 bed probe heights: -0.007 -0.002 0.000 -0.020 -0.010 0.010 0.007 0.007 0.010 0.010 -0.007 -0.012 -0.007 -0.012 -0.007 -0.002 -0.007 -0.012 -0.010 -0.010 -0.010 -0.012 -0.012 -0.015 -0.002 -0.020 -0.025 0.002 -0.007 0.002 0.042 0.023, mean -0.004, devi
I do not think this is all right, I see the same value a number of times but also many different ones
does anyone have an idea where it can be,

F100
M98 P0:/macros/test
G32 bed probe heights: -0.060 -0.035 -0.032 -0.062 -0.032 -0.040 -0.037 -0.047 -0.037 -0.062 -0.040 -0.030 -0.060 -0.055 -0.045 -0.067 -0.045 -0.060 -0.062 -0.060 -0.060 -0.062 -0.065 -0.060 -0.060 -0.070 -0.050 -0.060 -0.055 -0.060 -0.053 -0.037, mean -0

bartolomeus

Here's mine with:
F100:
G32 bed probe heights: 0.038 0.041 0.042 0.048 0.040 0.043 0.039 0.040 0.040 0.038 0.043 0.040 0.039 0.033 0.036 0.016 0.033 0.040 0.041 0.041 0.041 0.041 0.042 0.038 0.040 0.048 0.043 0.040 0.039 0.046 0.039 0.042, mean 0.040, deviation from mean 0.005

F150:
G32 bed probe heights: 0.039 0.041 0.044 0.043 0.038 0.039 0.040 0.041 0.040 0.042 0.042 0.040 0.040 0.044 0.038 0.043 0.044 0.038 0.041 0.045 0.048 0.042 0.039 0.041 0.044 0.043 0.044 0.043 0.046 0.044 0.044 0.039, mean 0.042, deviation from mean 0.003

I also did some testing with higher F values, however, as my Z speed wax maxed at 200mm/min, the higher F values were also maxed at 200mm/min and not being used.

dc42

@gideon, it looks like your bltouch (or clone) isn't giving reproducible results. Some other users have reported this problem too.

gideon

with you the differences are less great than with me I see,
I am thinking about testing one with the ininductive sensor
see what it does,
whether the differences are still so great

whosrdaddy

@gideon:

with you the differences are less great than with me I see,
I am thinking about testing one with the ininductive sensor
see what it does,
whether the differences are still so great

if you want accurate, repeatable probing, just use a piezo sensor, I can assure you, I tried all other options, but nothing beats its performance and ease of use (not even close).
https://www.precisionpiezo.co.uk/

gideon

@dc42 Hey,
I am now going to try to see a proximity sensor to see if it works better,
if not, I will order the ir probe

totalitarian

The BLtouch should be more than accurate enough. Of course, it depends how rigidly you have mounted it. Another good test it to check how mechanically sound your machine is. Set your height a sheet of paper using the nozzle, raise and lower the head by 5mm, check if you still get the same gap between the bed with the paper;.

gideon

I have now even mounted a proximity sensor, I think this is better. or is it still nothing
M98 P0: / macros / test
G32 bed probe heights: -0,600 -0,600 -0,600 -0,602 -0,602 -0,608 -0,605 -0,605 -0,602 -0,602 -0,602 -0,605 -0,600-0,602 -0,605 -0,605 -0,605 -0,605 -0,608 -0,600-0,600 -0,602 - 0.605 -0.608 -0.608 -0.605 -0.605 -0.608 -0.605 -0.602 -0.605 -0.605, mean -0

bartolomeus

That looks a lot better.

I just re-run one of my tests with the bltouch, as probing at higher speeds made no sense as my z speed in config.g was limiting the probing speed. So I now set my Z speed and probe speed to 250. This was the result:

G32 bed probe heights: -0.001 0.003 0.003 0.007 0.001 0.005 0.002 0.006 0.003 0.004 -0.001 -0.004 0.001 0.004 0.003 0.001 0.001 0.005 0.005 0.003 0.004 0.006 0.007 0.009 0.000 0.009 0.003 0.003 0.009 0.003 0.003 0.001, mean 0.003, deviation from mean 0.00

gideon

12:06:43M98 P0:/macros/test white F100
G32 bed probe heights: -0.205 -0.200 -0.200 -0.200 -0.203 -0.203 -0.203 -0.200 -0.200 -0.198 -0.200 -0.198 -0.200 -0.200 -0.203 -0.203 -0.200 -0.198 -0.203 -0.200 -0.200 -0.200 -0.205 -0.200 -0.203 -0.200 -0.200 -0.203 -0.200 -0.200 -0.200 -0.200, mean -0