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    • edo_drumundefined
      edo_drum
      last edited by

      hello everyone I would like an help to choosing the right nema to buy for my delta printer,
      My choose is between:

      -nema 17 super whopper from e3d;

      https://e3d-online.com/super-whopper-motor-1

      -nema 23 from omc;

      https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/it/motore-passo-passo-ibrido/nema-23-bipolare-126nm-1784ozin-28a-25v-57x56mm-4fili-φ6mm-shaft-23hs22-2804s1.html

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      • DjDemonDundefined
        DjDemonD
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        Hi Edo, how big is your delta? You might not need such massive motors…

        Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
        www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
        PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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        • T3P3Tonyundefined
          T3P3Tony administrators
          last edited by

          Check out this documentation page:

          https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_and_connecting_stepper_motors

          As DjD says for a "normal" to "large" delta you should be ok with smaller motors as the point of a delta is very low moving mass.

          www.duet3d.com

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          • T3P3Tonyundefined
            T3P3Tony administrators
            last edited by

            that said if you wanted to build something this big:

            https://tractus3d.com/t3500-Biggest-industrial-3D-printer/

            that might be different 😉

            www.duet3d.com

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            • Danalundefined
              Danal
              last edited by

              How big is your printer?

              Set some parms here: http://danalspub.com/DKcalc/

              And post the resulting link (copy the URL just under the sliders).

              Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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              • Dougal1957undefined
                Dougal1957
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                IMHO These are perfectly adequate for a fair size delta

                https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/hybrid-stepper-motor/nema-17-bipolar-59ncm-84ozin-2a-42x48mm-4wires-w-1m-cable-and-connector-17hs19-2004s1.html for 1.8 degree motors (the 1684 are also good)

                and or

                https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/hybrid-stepper-motor/nema-17-bipolar-09deg-46ncm-651ozin-2a-28v-42x42x48mm-4-wires-17hm19-2004s.html For 0.9 degree ones (same again the 1684's are also good)

                I use the later in the 1684 on my delta with a 360mm diam bed and 400mm build hight

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                • edo_drumundefined
                  edo_drum
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                  @DjDemonD:

                  Hi Edo, how big is your delta? You might not need such massive motors…

                  @Danal:

                  How big is your printer?

                  my delta printer is 2,5m high with a heated bed of 80cm in diameter

                  @Dougal1957:

                  IMHO These are perfectly adequate for a fair size delta

                  https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/hybrid-stepper-motor/nema-17-bipolar-59ncm-84ozin-2a-42x48mm-4wires-w-1m-cable-and-connector-17hs19-2004s1.html for 1.8 degree motors (the 1684 are also good)

                  I am currently using wantai nema 17 with 47Ncm, they are powerful but if I use very large nozzles example 1.0 - 1.2 every bubble or imperfection in the print is like having a mountain as an obstacle and my Nema lose steps

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                  • edo_drumundefined
                    edo_drum
                    last edited by

                    @T3P3Tony:

                    Check out this documentation page:

                    https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_and_connecting_stepper_motors

                    As DjD says for a "normal" to "large" delta you should be ok with smaller motors as the point of a delta is very low moving mass.

                    I read this part of the guide very carefully, I was just looking for confirmation from you with more experience than me, and if these two Nema were correct for the required specifications

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                    • DjDemonDundefined
                      DjDemonD
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                      I have no experience of deltas larger than 350mmx1m.

                      However if you are getting skipped steps and using large nozzles and want thrust to push through blobs etc.. Then I would say the large nema 17 might be a better choice, the nema 23 is more prone to midband resonance which can cause problems.

                      But my understanding is rapid direction changes are not able to be as rapid with larger motors.

                      What sort of rod ends are you using, magnetic might be trouble if your hitting fairly hard objects during printing.

                      Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                      www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                      PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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                      • edo_drumundefined
                        edo_drum
                        last edited by

                        @DjDemonD:

                        I have no experience of deltas larger than 350mmx1m.

                        However if you are getting skipped steps and using large nozzles and want thrust to push through blobs etc.. Then I would say the large nema 17 might be a better choice, the nema 23 is more prone to midband resonance which can cause problems.

                        But my understanding is rapid direction changes are not able to be as rapid with larger motors.

                        What sort of rod ends are you using, magnetic might be trouble if your hitting fairly hard objects during printing.

                        nema 23 are faster in the changes of movement?

                        no, do not use the system with magnets, in fact it would be too weak for my problems.

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                        • T3P3Tonyundefined
                          T3P3Tony administrators
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                          If you can get the same/similar toque out of long nema17s as shorter nema23s, with all else being equal go for the nema17s because they normally have a lower rota inertia, at least in the sizes we are talking about.

                          www.duet3d.com

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                          • edo_drumundefined
                            edo_drum
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                            @T3P3Tony:

                            If you can get the same/similar toque out of long nema17s as shorter nema23s, with all else being equal go for the nema17s because they normally have a lower rota inertia, at least in the sizes we are talking about.

                            thank you so much I understand, I think then I'll try 17

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                            • dc42undefined
                              dc42 administrators
                              last edited by

                              Also use the motor calculator at reprapfirmware.org to check that you will get enough speed.

                              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                              • edo_drumundefined
                                edo_drum
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                                @dc42:

                                Also use the motor calculator at reprapfirmware.org to check that you will get enough speed.

                                Hi, I tried to put the specifications of the NEMA super whopper of e3d, I only have a doubt on the datasheet is written rated current 4V and 2A / phase, in the calculator rated current I have to write 2000 or 4000? Forgive me I'm not very practical in electronics

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                                • dc42undefined
                                  dc42 administrators
                                  last edited by

                                  Use 2000.

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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