CR-10 with DuetWifi - updated with Bondtech exruder (3djake)

Agniusm

Does that goes into config or homex? I had it set like that in config.g but my carriage slammed into physical x stop

dc42

That goes in config.g. It defines both the minimum X value after homing, and the X position when an X min endstop switch is triggered during a homing move. It has nothing to do with whether the carriage stops when it triggers the endstop switch.

dc42

I understand from elsewhere that there are 2 very loud fans in the CR10 control box. With the Duet WiFi installed, you probably don't need both of them, and you should be able to substitute a quieter fan.

stavrosgmtl

@perolalars:

@Camalot977 Would you care to share your sys folder for the CR-10? I have been trying to use the reprap configuration tool but since I have not yet got my cr-10 4 printer I cant tell whats what…

A interested party here too my man. Excited to see this thing in action. My motor config on a late s4 is being a hassle

Knaudler

Hello

I had an home move, so long time nothing new

some days ago I upgraded my CR-10
new hardware upgrade:

a new Case für DuetWifi - there are a lot in thingiverse
pla is better for wifi then metal case
powersource from Maas electronic or Alinco (for amateur radio)
12-15V with 35 Amps - really quite - very good quality and stable power - and a lot more secure then cheap china powersource
CR-10 frame grounded
4mm² for Heatbed
2.5mm² for Duet
(very smooth silicon cable)
drag chain on Heatbed
100A- SSR (100DD) from Banggood (only 0.008 ohm)
10A car fuse for Duet
20A car fuse for Heatbed
Noctura fan für Duet case
FW .21rc (for smoother pressure advance - 0.2 on my cr-10)

with 14.5V Heatbed needs 20A (cold)
(only 0.155v voltage drop on SSR)

now I'm testing FW retraction….
(think the gcode substitution script would be the best)

planned:

micro swiss nozzle
levelling with BLTouch...
but when the heating bed is perfectly aligned, there is no need for a levelling - the cr-10 the frame is stable enough
dual extrusion
arduino smoke detector for security

using S3D - but Cura (3.2) has a lot features now, maybe switching to cura or prusa slicer edition
(repetier now can use prusa slicer)
there are a lot updates on most slicers (nothing on S3D)

so Duet is very great uprade for CR-10

Greetings from Hamburg
Ingo

translated from german with deepl

edit:
only 30amps
MAAS SPS-350-II

Knaudler

@perolalars:

@igi0815
Hi Ingo
Sound great that you have good experiance of converting the cr-10 to duet board because I am thinking of doing the same.
I havent recieved the printer yet but any day now (if not the swedish customs will grab it :-() . And have a duet wifi floating around somewhere…
But I wonder did you use a paneldue for display or did you use the original display? And if so how did you set it up? If not does it work with a paneldue (4.3") in the original case?
With the wifi, does it work through the case?
Do your printer have dual z-axis steppers?
many questions but would be happy for any input from you since you made this already!
Cheers
Per

Hello

no Display, only Android Tablet via wifi, or Laptop

genexene

Thanks for sharing this valuable info. Your goodness is appreciated.

Can you advise on the CR-10S, we have dual-Z screws, how would we configure for that? I'm new to board upgrades. Thanks for your help!

zacklabel

@genexene said in CR-10 with DuetWifi (original Case):

Thanks for sharing this valuable info. Your goodness is appreciated.

Can you advise on the CR-10S, we have dual-Z screws, how would we configure for that? I'm new to board upgrades. Thanks for your help!

Same, what do we put for the second Z? M569 P5 S1 ; Drive 4 goes forwards?

rickypilnik

@knaudler Hi I was just wondering if you had finished your upgrades and so had a full set of configuration files with a bl-touch installed. I have been having a lot of trouble getting it set up and was wondering if you could share your files.

Many Thanks.

Knaudler

@rickypilnik

hi
no BL Touch yet
in works good without - once the bed is leveled fine - manuel
it works

I print some reinforcing brackets
and screwed cr-10 on board (18mm Multiplex or Siebdruck)

not screwed its glued on rubber bumper
and the board on rubber

I have to look for an holder for Chimera hotend, there I will then mount the bl-touch...
but last weeks it was to hot in HH (28 grad in Room) to make anything with heat

and maybe an Bondtech extruder...

Knaudler

hier meine neue config.g - s.u.
new config.g with BondTech Extruder

(bin zu faul zum Übersetzen - use https://www.deepl.com/translator if you want)

CR-10 mit vielen Änderungen:

Mechanik verbessert
Verstärkungen/Winkel am Rahmen new
Füße unter den Füßen, die auf Gummi geklebt sind new
(hellhörige, kleine Mietwohnung)
der Drucker steht auf einer Multiplexplatte, die wiederum auf Gummis steht
(die Gummimatten für unter die Waschmaschine bzw. etwas dünner aus dem
Baumarkt)

extras
(die dickeren Kabel und extra Sicherungen habe ich weiter oben schon aufgezählt)

BondTech Exruder new
Swiss Nozzle (an original Hotend) new
Maas SPS-350-ii (30A/15V)
Grizzly Kryonaut Wärmeleitpaste (bis 350grad) an Nozzle und Heatbreak und Intel CPU - beste Wärmeleitpaste die ich kenne, aber teuer
erstmal nur manuelles Meshlevelling, geht so, irgendwann wird der BL-Touch eingebaut...
... für das Heizbett mit Magnetwechselsystem
Magnetwechselsystem new :
Magnetfolie bis 120grad Dauer / 200grad peak selbstklebend auf die Aluplatte
und dazu lasergeschnittene magn. Edelstahlplatten:
Schallenkammer Magnetfolie 200 und Maschinenbau Feld magn. Edelstahblech,
da drauf dann auf einer Seite je eine Buildtek Haftfolie und auf der anderen Seite zb. Bluetape oder Kaptontape
AVM/Smarthome Steckdose - Strom geht ca. 1h nach Druckende komplett aus, wenn Drucker lange im Idle ist, oder über Macro direkt schalten ?

.
.
.
ToDo - noch in Planung:

ein besseres Gehäuse für den Duet
längere Kabel für Stepper, Hotend usw. da der Duet nun unter den Drucker soll inkl. des Netzteils inkl. neuer Stecker (MPX)
Kamerahalter (mache aktuell livestreams mit Handy - YT - Knaudler)
Timelaps - event. mit Octoprint ?
Dual Extruder - Chimera Hotend
BL-Touch - soll dann an die Chimera Halterung
regelbare LED Beleuchtung unter das Hotend
die schlechten (und falsch verpressten) chin. Lager an den Rollen mal tauschen,
die rattern, muss sehen, wie ich die raus bekomme, oder neue Rollen drucken
Kühlung für die Stepper ?
viel schneller drucken ? geht dann wohl nur mit einem Vulcano Hotend
Rauchmelder nur für den/die 3D Drucker
hab 1. Arduino Smoke Detectoren und 2. einen Minirauchmelder, vielleicht kann man den anzapfen und dann die Steckdose abschalten lassen

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config.g

; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 1.17 to 1.19)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Sat Oct 28 2017 00:02:03 GMT+0200 (Mitteleuropäische Sommerzeit)
; General preferences
;
; Ingos CR-10 with DuetWifi
;
M111 S0 ; Debugging off
G21 ; Work in millimetres
G90 ; Send absolute coordinates...
M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
M555 P2 ; Set firmware compatibility to look like Marlin
M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; Set axis minima
M208 X305 Y305 Z395 S0 ; Set axis maxima

; Endstops
M574 X1 Y1 Z1 S1 ; Define active high microswitches
M558 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 H5 F120 T12000 ; Set Z probe type to switch, the axes for which it is used and the probe + travel speeds
G31 P600 X0 Y0 Z2.5 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
M557 X20:280 Y20:280 S130 ; Define mesh grid

; Drives
M569 P0 S0 ; X - Drive 0 goes backwards
M569 P1 S0 ; Y - Drive 1 goes backwards
M569 P2 S1 ; Z - Drive 2 goes forwards
M569 P3 S0 ; E1 - Drive 3 goes backwards (for Bondtech Extruder on CR-10)
M350 E16 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation - without, retracts are to loud
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X80 Y80 Z408 E410 ; Set steps per mm - with BondTech Extruder and 700mm Bowden (with CR-10 extruder: 32i=205,16i=95)

M566 X600 Y300 Z180 E1200:1200 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min) - Jerk
M203 X12000 Y12000 Z600 E3700:3700 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min) - with BondTech Extruder only 61mm/sec maximum ??
M201 X1200 Y600 Z1000 E10000:10000 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)

M906 X1000 Y1000 Z1000 E1000 I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in prozent - want 1100 for Y, but Motor needs than fan
M84 S60 ; Set idle timeout

; Heaters
M143 S265 ; Set maximum heater temperature to 265C
M305 P0 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
M305 P1 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1

; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

; Network
M550 PDuetWifi ; Set machine name
M552 S1 P"patrickstar" ; Enable network - using WifiServer 1.19.2 for good Wifi ! 1.21 not stable
M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
M586 P1 S0 ; Disable FTP
M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet

; Fans - Set fan X value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off/on
M106 P0 S0 I0 F30 H-1 ; Bauteilkühlung mit 2 Blowers parallel, daher 30Hz PWM
M106 P1 S205 I0 F100 H1 T50 ; Hotendkühlung erst ab 50grad - und ca. 80% weil 15V Netzteil und 12v Lüfter - 100Hz PWM ist leiser
; M106 P2 S0.5 I0 F30 H-1 ; hatte mit original CR-10 Gehäuse einen Lüfter am PWM - nun einen leisen Noctua mit leisestem Adapter

; Custom settings
M912 P0 S-14 ; calibrate MCU Temp - Tempanzeige für CPU -14grad, dann stimmen die Werte
M572 D0 S0.1 ; pressure advance - mit BondTech und 1A Stepper nun ok - aber abhängig vom Filament und Druckdatei
; M207 S2.5 R-0.1 F3600 T1200 Z0.0 ; Firmware retractions - nutze ich zur Zeit nicht, weil S3D kanns nicht
M207 S3.6 R-0.0 F3000 T3000 Z0.0 ; trotzdem auf sinnvolle Werte gestellt - CR-10 - 700mm Bowden

; Miscellaneous
M501
T0 ; Select first tool

=============================

Gruß aus dem viel zu warmen Hamburg
Knaudler

@dc42

with BondTech Extruder (3:1 or 4:1 ?) max Extruder Speed is 61mm/sec ? (max
3700/min) - on 4000mm/min the Stepper gets loud
before I used 80mm/sec (max 6000/min) with no Problems (for fast retraction)
I'm on 15V with original CR-10 Nema 17 (need 24v for more speed?)
could an MQ2 Smoke/Gas sensor work with Duet, for Emergency Stop or Macro for Smarthome Wifi Power Socket shutdown ?
and whats about an real Emergency Stop BUTTON
connected on Duet ?
like on Renkforce RF2000

Thanks

Knaudler

new config.g

;
; Ingos CR-10 with DuetWifi and BondTech BMG Extruder - 700mm Bowden
; mit magnet. schnellwechsel Druckbett (120grad Dauer möglich) für versch. Beschichtungen
;
; Firmware Name: RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet
; Firmware Electronics: Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
; Firmware Version: 2.01beta2(RTOS) (2018-07-14b5)
; WiFi Server Version: 1.19.2 (better wifi)
; Web Interface Version: 1.21.2-b2
;

M111 S0 ; Debugging off
G21 ; Work in millimetres
G90 ; Send absolute coordinates...
M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
M555 P2 ; Set firmware compatibility to look like Marlin
M208 X0 Y0 Z-1 S1 ; Set axis minima - nutze Z-Endschalter aber ohne Anschlag, so dass ich auch auf -2 gehen könnte
M208 X305 Y305 Z395 S0 ; Set axis maxima

; Endstops
M574 X1 Y1 Z1 S1 ; Define active high microswitches
M558 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 H5 F120 T12000 ; Set Z probe type to switch, the axes for which it is used and the probe + travel speeds
G31 P600 X0 Y0 Z2.5 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
M557 X20:280 Y20:280 S130 ; Define mesh grid

; Drives
M569 P0 S0 ; X - Drive 0 goes backwards
M569 P1 S0 ; Y - Drive 1 goes backwards
M569 P2 S1 ; Z - Drive 2 goes forwards
M569 P3 S0 ; E1 - Drive 3 goes backwards (for Bondtech Extruder on CR-10)

M92 X80 Y80 Z401 E419 ; Set steps per mm - with BondTech Extruder and 700mm Bowden (E-Steps testet with 0.4 Nozzle 220grad 200mm with 5mm/sec)
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
M350 E64 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation

M566 X300 Y300 Z180 E1200:1200 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min) - Jerk
M203 X12000 Y12000 Z2000 E6000:6000 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min) - with BondTech Extruder only 61mm/sec maximum 3700 ??
M201 X600 Y600 Z1000 E10000:10000 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)

M906 X800 Y800 Z800 E800 I40 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in prozent
M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

; Heaters
M143 S265 ; Set maximum heater temperature to 265C
M305 P0 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
M305 P1 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1

; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

; Network
M550 PDuetWifi ; Set machine name
M552 S1 P"patrickstar" ; Enable network - using WifiServer 1.19.2 for good Wifi ! 1.21 not stable
M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
M586 P1 S0 ; Disable FTP
M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet

; Fans - Set fan X value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off/on
M106 P0 S0 I0 F30 H-1 ; Bauteilkühlung mit 2 Blowers parallel, daher 30Hz PWM
M106 P1 S255 I0 F250 H1 T50:230 ; Hotendkühlung dyn. angepasst an Drucktemp.

; Custom settings
M912 P0 S-13 ; calibrate MCU Temp - Temp.Anzeige für CPU -13grad, dann stimmen die Werte ungefähr

; pressure advance
M572 D0 S0.3 ; pressure advance - mit BondTech nun ok - aber abhängig vom Filament und Druckdatei

; Firmware Retraction - nutze ich zur Zeit nicht, weil S3D kanns nicht,trotzdem auf sinnvolle Werte gestellt:CR-10 - 700mm Bowden
M207 S4 R-0.0 F3000 T3000 Z0.0

; Miscellaneous
M501
T0 ; Select first tool

Knaudler

here the End of my homeall and homez
(maybe an macro with variable ? would be better)

; Tell the firmware where we are
;G92 Z1.25 ; BuildTak auf Edelstahl/Magnet
G92 Z1.55 ; Bluetape auf Edelstahl/Magnet

so on bed change I change the position of ;

Knaudler

original Case is in trash

using this:
https://www.thingiverse.com/make:513929
with noctua fan (the very silent adapter) outside

it fits under the CR-10
the good Powersource is under the Table
with SSR and Fuses

3dmntbighker

According to the docs interpolation is ONLY supported at 16 micro stepping. I have a .9 stepper on my BMG, and I had to go to quarter stepping to stop skipping steps. Max extruder speed seems to be 900 for me, and I'm using 1200 on motor current. It's a genuine E3D 1.5 amp .9 degree pancake stepper (core XY).

Knaudler

I know (no interpolating) on more then 16
but 64 works good
60mm/sec extrusion works
have a little overextrusion (needs new calibration)
using 1.8 Motor - normal nema 17 from cr-10 - with 15V
I think pancake and 0.9 there is less torque