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    • Phaedruxundefined
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      Have you tried without the S3?

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        • StefanMeundefined
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          Yes I did... no difference. I also deactivated now I1. No Difference in the sound. Everything sounds like the same. Or close to the same. Do I have to set I to 0 or is he loading the default if I didn't write it in the config?

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          • Phaedruxundefined
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            You can send M350 to the console with no parameters and the system will report back the current settings.

            If you disconnect the motors from the belts do they still sound rough when moving?

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            • StefanMeundefined
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              8:29:18 PMM350
              Microstepping - X:16(on), Y:16(on), Z:16(on), E:16(on):16(on)

              Looks good.

              Here is a video. The sound is super rough. If I run with KLIPPER its much more silent (TMC2208 Spreadcycle... should be very similar to the 2660 on the duet2). In real live it sounds even more rough.

              Even when I remove the belts, the motors are much to loud. Without belts, they must be super silent.

              https://youtu.be/p51pXD23cyE

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              • dc42undefined
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                @stefanme said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

                Ahhhhh So the Duet2 doesn't support STEALTHCHOP? Really...? Thats sad!

                Stealthchop on TMC2130 drivers is reported to be fairly useless because it only works at low speeds and causes problems at high speeds. Stealthchop2 as supported on the TMC2208/2224/5130 is supposed to be better, but on my Duet 2 Maestro (TMC2224 drivers) with the motors in my Cartesian printer, I find spreadCycle gives better acceleration without losing steps and is just as quiet. With some other motors, stealthChop2 is reported to be quieter.

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                • dc42undefined
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                  @stefanme said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

                  Yes I did... no difference. I also deactivated now I1. No Difference in the sound. Everything sounds like the same. Or close to the same. Do I have to set I to 0 or is he loading the default if I didn't write it in the config?

                  That's most unusual. With the default x16 microstepping, interpolation to x256 and spreadCycle mode, the motors should be very quiet. A few users have issue with the motors ot being silent at standstill, and that can often be improved by adjusting the driver off-time.

                  Are you using motors with a very low rated current?

                  Please run M569 P0 (and P1, and P2) and M350 with no parameters, to verify that you really are using spread cycle mode and x16 microstepping with interpolation.

                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                    • StefanMeundefined
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                      @dc42 said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

                      M569 P0

                      I use this motors: ACT NEMA 17 1.3A

                      M569 P0
                      Drive 0 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
                      M569 P1
                      Drive 1 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
                      M569 P2
                      Drive 2 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
                      M350
                      Microstepping - X:16(on), Y:16(on), Z:16(on), E:16(on):16(on)

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                      • Phaedruxundefined
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                        I don't know enough about motor and driver interaction but it would appear you may have found a motor that does not like the way the duet drivers work.

                        As an experiment do you have other motors you could connect to the duet to see how they sound? If they sound better it would indicate the pairing of motor to driver is to blame. If they sound just as bad it might indicate something being wrong with your board.

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                        • sigxcpuundefined
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                          I too have the same exact sound in my CoreXY (compared to 2160 from Replicape which was much quieter).
                          My solution was to raise the motors, do a "box" with a 5mm shaft and pulley with 2 bearings and motor using a coupler to connect. The motor itself is attached to the case through a "astrosyn" mount, so the vibration is highly reduced.
                          Another advantage is that the belt tension does not pull on motor top bearing.

                          And yes, it is ugly.

                          LE: I was having the same sound with both 1.8 deg motors and current 0.9 deg ones

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                          • dc42undefined
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                            @stefanme said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

                            @dc42 said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

                            M569 P0

                            I use this motors: ACT NEMA 17 1.3A

                            M569 P0
                            Drive 0 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
                            M569 P1
                            Drive 1 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
                            M569 P2
                            Drive 2 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
                            M350
                            Microstepping - X:16(on), Y:16(on), Z:16(on), E:16(on):16(on)

                            Thanks for checking. Are the motors noisy when idle, or only when moving?

                            Those motors have higher inductance than most but should be OK, especially as you are using 24V power.

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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