Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?

StefanMe · 8 Oct 2018, 15:48

HI, I bought a DuetWifi2 some days ago and run into some issues with handling my stepper motors.

My stepper configuration is like this:

; Drives
M569 P0 S1 ; Drive 0 goes forwards
M569 P1 S1 ; Drive 1 goes forwards
M569 P2 S1 ; Drive 2 goes forwards
M569 P3 S1 ; Drive 3 goes forwards
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 S3 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X80.8865 Y80.8865 Z793.65 E94.25 ; Set steps per mm
M566 X900 Y900 Z12 E120 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X18000 Y18000 Z200 E1200 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X3000 Y3000 Z200 E250 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X700 Y700 Z1000 E700 I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

But they are incredible noisy... even if I run them super slo, they are super noisy. Is there anything I made wrong? Before I run KLIPPER and they where very quite (with some 2208er in Spreadcycle). Special X and Y on my CoreXY. I mean not an high pitch noise, I mean a very rough sound...

I use this steppers: ACT NEMA17 1.3A

My Board is powered by 24V. Running the latest Firmware release.

Thanks for help!

bret4 · 10 Aug 2018, 16:11

@stefanme said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 S3 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation

I may be wrong but maybe the S3 in the M350 line shouldn't be there.

Duet 2 Wifi/Ethernet supports modes 0, 1 and 2

StefanMe · 10 Aug 2018, 16:54

Ahhhhh So the Duet2 doesn't support STEALTHCHOP? Really...? Thats sad!

Phaedrux · 8 Oct 2018, 17:02

I think you'll find that with 16 interpolated to 256 you won't need it.

https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/GCode#Section_M350_Set_microstepping_mode

Snn Set chopper mode: 0 = constant off time, 1 = random off time, 2 = spread cycle, 3 - stealth chop. the Duet 2 Wifi/Ethernet supports modes 0, 1 and 2. The Duet 2 Maestro supports modes 2 and 3. If this parameter is not provided, the default will be used.

StefanMe · 10 Aug 2018, 17:15

@phaedrux said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

256

Thanks, but for the interpolation I already set:

M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 S3 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation

I1 = Inn Enable (nn=1) or disable (nn=0) microstep interpolation mode for the specified drivers, if they support it. The Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet support interpolation (to x256 microstepping) only when configured for x16 microstepping. The Duet 2 Maestro supports interpolation at all microstep settings.

The Printer is still moving super rough... sound like there are some loose parts on my printer, but there aren't.

Phaedrux · 10 Aug 2018, 17:15

Have you tried without the S3?

Phaedrux · 10 Aug 2018, 17:16

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StefanMe · 10 Aug 2018, 17:52

Yes I did... no difference. I also deactivated now I1. No Difference in the sound. Everything sounds like the same. Or close to the same. Do I have to set I to 0 or is he loading the default if I didn't write it in the config?

Phaedrux · 10 Aug 2018, 17:57

You can send M350 to the console with no parameters and the system will report back the current settings.

If you disconnect the motors from the belts do they still sound rough when moving?

StefanMe · 10 Aug 2018, 18:39

8:29:18 PMM350
Microstepping - X:16(on), Y:16(on), Z:16(on), E:16(on):16(on)

Looks good.

Here is a video. The sound is super rough. If I run with KLIPPER its much more silent (TMC2208 Spreadcycle... should be very similar to the 2660 on the duet2). In real live it sounds even more rough.

Even when I remove the belts, the motors are much to loud. Without belts, they must be super silent.

https://youtu.be/p51pXD23cyE

dc42 · 8 Oct 2018, 19:19

@stefanme said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

Ahhhhh So the Duet2 doesn't support STEALTHCHOP? Really...? Thats sad!

Stealthchop on TMC2130 drivers is reported to be fairly useless because it only works at low speeds and causes problems at high speeds. Stealthchop2 as supported on the TMC2208/2224/5130 is supposed to be better, but on my Duet 2 Maestro (TMC2224 drivers) with the motors in my Cartesian printer, I find spreadCycle gives better acceleration without losing steps and is just as quiet. With some other motors, stealthChop2 is reported to be quieter.

dc42 · 10 Aug 2018, 19:24

@stefanme said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

Yes I did... no difference. I also deactivated now I1. No Difference in the sound. Everything sounds like the same. Or close to the same. Do I have to set I to 0 or is he loading the default if I didn't write it in the config?

That's most unusual. With the default x16 microstepping, interpolation to x256 and spreadCycle mode, the motors should be very quiet. A few users have issue with the motors ot being silent at standstill, and that can often be improved by adjusting the driver off-time.

Are you using motors with a very low rated current?

Please run M569 P0 (and P1, and P2) and M350 with no parameters, to verify that you really are using spread cycle mode and x16 microstepping with interpolation.

StefanMe · 10 Aug 2018, 19:30

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StefanMe · 8 Oct 2018, 19:40

@dc42 said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

M569 P0

I use this motors: ACT NEMA 17 1.3A

M569 P0
Drive 0 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
M569 P1
Drive 1 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
M569 P2
Drive 2 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
M350
Microstepping - X:16(on), Y:16(on), Z:16(on), E:16(on):16(on)

Phaedrux · 10 Aug 2018, 19:48

I don't know enough about motor and driver interaction but it would appear you may have found a motor that does not like the way the duet drivers work.

As an experiment do you have other motors you could connect to the duet to see how they sound? If they sound better it would indicate the pairing of motor to driver is to blame. If they sound just as bad it might indicate something being wrong with your board.

sigxcpu · 8 Oct 2018, 19:54

I too have the same exact sound in my CoreXY (compared to 2160 from Replicape which was much quieter).
My solution was to raise the motors, do a "box" with a 5mm shaft and pulley with 2 bearings and motor using a coupler to connect. The motor itself is attached to the case through a "astrosyn" mount, so the vibration is highly reduced.
Another advantage is that the belt tension does not pull on motor top bearing.

And yes, it is ugly.

LE: I was having the same sound with both 1.8 deg motors and current 0.9 deg ones

dc42 · 11 Aug 2018, 07:27

@stefanme said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

@dc42 said in Stepper motors are super noisy... wrong config?:

M569 P0

I use this motors: ACT NEMA 17 1.3A

M569 P0
Drive 0 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
M569 P1
Drive 1 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
M569 P2
Drive 2 runs forwards, active low enable, step timing 0.0:0.0:0.0:0.0 us, mode spreadCycle, ccr 0x101b4
M350
Microstepping - X:16(on), Y:16(on), Z:16(on), E:16(on):16(on)

Thanks for checking. Are the motors noisy when idle, or only when moving?

Those motors have higher inductance than most but should be OK, especially as you are using 24V power.