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    • Vetiundefined
      Veti
      last edited by

      did you verify the phase using a multimeter?

      also see
      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_and_connecting_stepper_motors#Section_Identifying_the_stepper_motor_phases

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      • Neufraundefined
        Neufra
        last edited by

        Yes, I have ~2,9 ohm / phase, and open-circuit between phases. As it should be.

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        • Vetiundefined
          Veti
          last edited by

          https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M584_Set_drive_mapping

          M584 must come earlier in config.g than any M350 and M906 commands.

          your thermistor configuration is wrong. B4138 is the default incorrect for you.

          normally what you are observing would be because of faulty wiring.
          you have your connectors the wrong way round. black is towards the vin terminals. but that should only swap directions.

          please update to the latest firmware. (2.05 for now. later go for 3.0)

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          • Neufraundefined
            Neufra
            last edited by Neufra

            I just updated my Firmware to 2.05, and moved M584 above M350.... now only the motor connected to the Z-Output moves. (with the new Firmware and bofore moving the command, it was like before).
            And what do you mean with B4138 beeing wrong? (I only have the Bed Heater/thermistor connected at the moment.)

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti @Neufra
              last edited by

              is there a message about disconnected phase in the console log?

              the beta value 4138 is not the correct value for the thermistors you are using, so it will display the wrong temperature at high temperatures.

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              • Neufraundefined
                Neufra @Veti
                last edited by

                No, it doesn´t show any error massages.
                And thank you for pointing me out about the thermistor values, but how do you know wich kind of thermistors I use?

                I´m just wondering, why one of the motors stops working when I move M584 to the correct position?

                ; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 2.03)
                ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                
                ; General preferences
                G90                                     ; send absolute coordinates...
                M83                                     ; ...but relative extruder moves
                M550 P"MGN-Cube"                        ; set printer name
                M667 S1                                 ; select CoreXY mode
                
                ; Network
                M552 S1                                 ; enable network
                M586 P0 S1                              ; enable HTTP
                M586 P1 S0                              ; disable FTP
                M586 P2 S0                              ; disable Telnet
                
                ; Drives
                M569 P0 S0                              ; physical drive 0 goes forwards X
                M569 P1 S0                              ; physical drive 1 goes forwards Y
                M569 P2 S0                              ; physical drive 2 goes forwards Z-L
                M569 P3 S0                              ; physical drive 3 goes forwards Z-R
                M560 P4 S1                              ; physical drive 4 goes forwards E
                M584 X0 Y1 Z2:3 E4                      ; two Z motors connected to driver outputs Z and E0
                M671 X-60:360 Y150:150 S15              ; leadscrews at left (connected to Z) and right (connected to E1) (of X axis)
                M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1                 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                M92 X200.00 Y200.00 Z4266.67 E420.00    ; set steps/mm
                M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z12 E120.00        ; set jerk (mm/min)
                M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z90 E1200.00     ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z50 E250.00        ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                M906 X800 Y800 Z1600 E800 I30           ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in percent
                M84 S5                                  ; Set idle timeout
                
                ; Axis Limits
                M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1                        ; set axis min
                M208 X300 Y300 Z365 S0                  ; set axis max
                
                ; Endstops
                M574 X1 Y1 S1                           ; set active high endstops
                M574 Z1 S2                              ; set endstop controlled by probe
                
                ; Z-Probe
                M558 P1 H5 F120 T6000                   ; set Z probe type to IR-Probe and the dive height + speed
                G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z2.5                     ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                M557 X0:280 Y5:300 S80                  ; define mesh grid
                
                ; Heaters
                M307 H0 B0 S1.00                        ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                M305 P0 T100000 B4138 R4700             ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
                M143 H0 S120                            ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
                M305 P1 T100000 B4138 R4700             ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
                M143 H1 S280                            ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
                
                ; Fans
                M106 P0 S0 I0 F500 H-1                  ; set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
                M106 P1 S1 I0 F500 H1 T50               ; set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
                
                ; Tools
                M563 P0 D0 H1 F0                        ; define tool 0
                G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                         ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                G10 P0 R0 S0                            ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                
                ; Custom Configuration
                
                

                It is right like this, isn´t it?

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                • Vetiundefined
                  Veti
                  last edited by

                  @Neufra said in low motor torque:

                  but how do you know wich kind of thermistors I use?

                  which thermistors did you buy?

                  and which motor is not working?

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                  • Neufraundefined
                    Neufra @Veti
                    last edited by

                    I have NTC100K thermistors.
                    If you mean wich motors have little torque, it´s all of them. If you mean wich one stopped working after moving M584, it´s the second Z-Motor (connected to E0)

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                    • Vetiundefined
                      Veti @Neufra
                      last edited by

                      @Neufra said in low motor torque:

                      I have NTC100K thermistors.

                      that just says it has 100k restistance at 25C nothing more. you need a specific type defintion of the thermistor like semitec-104gt-2.

                      for testing can you disconnect the duex5?

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                      • Neufraundefined
                        Neufra
                        last edited by

                        I don´t know wich specific type of thermistor my bed has, it just says: "Thermistor 100k". (My hotends have those "Semitec-104gt-2" thermistors you mentioned)
                        When I disconect the duex, do I have to change something in the firmware as well?

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                        • Vetiundefined
                          Veti @Neufra
                          last edited by

                          @Neufra said in low motor torque:

                          I don´t know wich specific type of thermistor my bed has, it just says: "Thermistor 100k". (My hotends have those "Semitec-104gt-2" thermistors you mentioned)

                          if its a chinese bed. its most likely a B3950.

                          the semitec is B4725 C7.060000e-8

                          When I disconect the duex, do I have to change something in the firmware as well?

                          no

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                          • Neufraundefined
                            Neufra
                            last edited by

                            Soo, disconecting the duex doesn´t seem to change anything, the Motor connected to the E0 output still doesn´t move.

                            About the thermistors, I put in the correct values for the Hotends.
                            (I have this heater for my bed. I will contact their support and ask them about the thermistor type!)

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                            • Vetiundefined
                              Veti
                              last edited by

                              ok connect up the duex5 again and remap the second z to one on the duex5

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                              • Neufraundefined
                                Neufra
                                last edited by

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                                • Neufraundefined
                                  Neufra
                                  last edited by

                                  The motor works now, I can´t reverse it, but it works. (I just flipped the connector)

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                                  • Vetiundefined
                                    Veti @Neufra
                                    last edited by

                                    @Neufra
                                    reversing the connector should only change the direction. maybe a bad crimp job?

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                                    • Neufraundefined
                                      Neufra
                                      last edited by

                                      No. That´s not what I mean. The motor works, independently of the connector direction. But I can´t change the motor direction through confi.g, only by reversing the connector.

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                                      • Vetiundefined
                                        Veti
                                        last edited by Veti

                                        @Neufra said in low motor torque:

                                        But I can´t change the motor direction through confi.g, only by reversing the connector.

                                        are you restarting after changing the config.g?
                                        are you editing the config.g in your sys folder?

                                        also try M98 P"/sys/config.g"

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                                        • Neufraundefined
                                          Neufra
                                          last edited by

                                          well, DuetWebControl asks me the following, after any change in config.g:

                                          Reset board?
                                          Would you like to restart your board to apply the updated configuration? 
                                          

                                          I click "yes" there.
                                          And on top of the config.g editor it says:

                                          0:/sys/config.g
                                          

                                          Your command gives me that:

                                          M98 P"/sys/config.g"
                                          HTTP is enabled on port 80
                                          FTP is disabled
                                          TELNET is disabled
                                          Writing to file: 4 S1
                                          Done saving file.
                                          Error: Bad command: 560 P5 S1
                                          
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                                          • SIamundefined
                                            SIam
                                            last edited by

                                            please post your new config.g again

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