Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?)

bricoletout

@dc42 said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

The smaller Tractus printers may fit your budget and size requirements, https://tractus3d.com/.

Thank you, I will have a look at it.

fcwilt

@Veti said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

@fcwilt

because its lighter than the bed?

I have no idea. Steppers are not exactly lightweight devices.

And it's not like the bed needs to move up/down quickly in the way the XY axes need to move so does the weight even matter?

While there is some wiring to the bed it is less than the wiring to the XY gantry.

It's just a gut feeling but moving the bed seems the better approach.

Frederick

Luke'sLaboratory

I will be launching 2 printer series "soon" that will be enclosable as well as using Duet3D hardware (with the option of either RRF or klipper).
You can see the first unit of my slinger series I shipped to an early beta customer in action at 7k Acceleration here. That's a 400x400 bed moving that fast! Results - The top print was from that video!

The keys to my printer design are as follows:

Any hotend/extruder combo - it adds some bulk, but the gantry plates are sturdy aluminum and have a variety of holes for mounting whichever hotend you'd like. The unit shipped was a e3d Volcano, but on my personal unit I run a slice magnum with an orbiter extruder. I have a Lily pellet extruder on-order and will also be making adapters.
Scalable volume - Both printer series are any-sizable, they rely on common joints that just have scaled extrusion/linear rail.
High temp capable - The slinger specifically was designed for bolt-on panels that will enclose the volume quickly and cheaply without complex machining. Bed is capable of 140C, after that alternative options will be needed for magnets on the removable sheets
Nothing is proprietary about it - this will be released open-source just like my Stablebot Core design currently is. Run any slicer, firmware, filament you want.

The other printer is my stablebot Core, with the repo here: https://github.com/lukeslaboratory/Stablebot-Core
I have the parts on-hand for a single-extruder build which I will be using a slice magnum, but the same principles apply. This machine currently runs a D3 6HC with A 3HC extender, but with a single-extruder option, could run on a D3 Mini 5+ with stepper expansions.

bricoletout

@Luke-sLaboratory said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

I will be launching 2 printer series "soon" that will be enclosable as well as using Duet3D hardware (with the option of either RRF or klipper).
You can see the first unit of my slinger series I shipped to an early beta customer in action at 7k Acceleration here. That's a 400x400 bed moving that fast! Results - The top print was from that video!

The keys to my printer design are as follows:

Any hotend/extruder combo - it adds some bulk, but the gantry plates are sturdy aluminum and have a variety of holes for mounting whichever hotend you'd like. The unit shipped was a e3d Volcano, but on my personal unit I run a slice magnum with an orbiter extruder. I have a Lily pellet extruder on-order and will also be making adapters.

Scalable volume - Both printer series are any-sizable, they rely on common joints that just have scaled extrusion/linear rail.

High temp capable - The slinger specifically was designed for bolt-on panels that will enclose the volume quickly and cheaply without complex machining. Bed is capable of 140C, after that alternative options will be needed for magnets on the removable sheets

Nothing is proprietary about it - this will be released open-source just like my Stablebot Core design currently is. Run any slicer, firmware, filament you want.

The other printer is my stablebot Core, with the repo here: https://github.com/lukeslaboratory/Stablebot-Core
I have the parts on-hand for a single-extruder build which I will be using a slice magnum, but the same principles apply. This machine currently runs a D3 6HC with A 3HC extender, but with a single-extruder option, could run on a D3 Mini 5+ with stepper expansions.

Great work, your table moves a lot !

I need a ready to print printer, not a kit, for my company.

Luke'sLaboratory

@bricoletout I will happily ship a completed Core or Slinger in whatever configuration you'd like for a fair price. I've sent you a DM, otherwise my email is Luke@Lukeslab.online

fcwilt

@Luke-sLaboratory said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

The other printer is my stablebot Core, with the repo here: https://github.com/lukeslaboratory/Stablebot-Core

That picture does not exactly fill me with a feeling of confidence.

Frederick

Luke'sLaboratory

@fcwilt Yeah - wiring is my biggest struggle, its why the toolchanger will be another couple months as i figure out how to keep them all arranged.

fcwilt

@Luke-sLaboratory said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

@fcwilt Yeah - wiring is my biggest struggle, its why the toolchanger will be another couple months as i figure out how to keep them all arranged.

I wasn't talking about the printer at all - rather the very happy bearded dude crouching inside the printer - an odd place to find a very happy bearded dude don't you think?

What if the customer doesn't want to purchase a printer complete with a very happy bearded dude?

Frederick

mrehorstdmd

@fcwilt and barefoot at that!

Luke'sLaboratory

@fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

The hobbit pictured is very happy to live inside the printer where he was made!

The XY (for the gantry itself) should be solved with Seperate-but-connected cable chains along the X and Y axis, but every solution I've tried with a "supported loop" similar to the E3d/Jubilee cable chain has been as kudgy as shown, particularily for the 1meter+ cables I currently use. for anything over 500+mm in a single direction, I'll probably have to make it so that only CAN devices can be used to reduce wire mass and complexity, so i can still use a zip tie or ruler. I have the 1LC's ready on Hemeras, and am excited to give them a shot as time allows

fcwilt

@mrehorstdmd said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

@fcwilt and barefoot at that!

Perhaps shoes are an extra cost option?

Frederick

fcwilt

@Luke-sLaboratory

To be honest I never looked at the printer - I was taken aback by the very happy bearded dude - who, as mentioned, is barefoot.

Perhaps you would engender greater confidence in your company with a more "serious" presentation.

I will now look at the printer.

Frederick

Luke'sLaboratory

@fcwilt

If you're looking for something more serious - here's my VERRF spot - https://youtu.be/M15XMZtG_7U?t=21948

fcwilt

@Luke-sLaboratory

OK I have now looked at the actual printer.

I see what you mean about the wiring.

What is all that wiring that is "looping up"? The wiring to the bed and to the extruder will need something to allow motion but nothing else - correct?

On my printers I use a remote drive extruder (a Nimble) and the drive cable provides the place to secure the extruder wiring. That's one of the things I like about the Nimble.

Frederick

fcwilt

@Luke-sLaboratory said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

@fcwilt

If you're looking for something more serious - here's my VERRF spot - https://youtu.be/M15XMZtG_7U?t=21948

That's much better - you look friendly without looking somewhat, shall we say, over stimulated.

Frederick

Luke'sLaboratory

@fcwilt

Its a toolchanger - Each Individual tool has its own wire bundle that goes back to the controller, meaning that there are quite a few loops along the back, in addition to the 9 (X-stop + Toolchanger stepper + Optical sensor) wires that are always on the gantry for the toolchanger head. All of these need to move, but the tool-specific wires need to be tucked away outside of other tools when parked.

Bed has 6 wires run to it, as well as another 5 Wires run for my Machine Vision camera+servo setup for tool offset calibration. Those also need to move, but are much more consistent and will have their own cable chains. A SSR controls flow to the AC bed.

On the bottom, I'm trying out a 24V ATX PSU - I wanted something that could easily be toggled on/off, as well as breaking out 24V and 5V for the Raspberry PI and the like. This will not be used as seperate 24v + 5v PSU's are much cleaner and simpler to support.

fcwilt

@Luke-sLaboratory

Interesting.

But I thought printers with tool changers had all the wiring running to a moving part (on the X gantry) and the different tools "plugged in" to the moving part and thus all tools shared the one set of wires.

Frederick

dc42

@fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

@Luke-sLaboratory

Interesting.

But I thought printers with tool changers had all the wiring running to a moving part (on the X gantry) and the different tools "plugged in" to the moving part and thus all tools shared the one set of wires.

Frederick

Sadly there is a patent on that.

Luke'sLaboratory

@fcwilt

My TC design can use either of these two coupling systems (I started designing the Stablebot Core after e3d's reveal of the TC system)
https://e3d-online.com/products/toolchanger-motion-system-bundle-tools https://jubilee3d.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

Aside from patent issues - This makes it easier to support tools like the ASMBL, Cameras, Insert Placers, and many more tools that haven't even been created yet (I have a pellet extruder on the way!). But, it adds bulk from unique wiring per-tool. Perhaps V2 will include reliable on-gantry wire harnessing if there is a possibility of not infringing on other patents

fcwilt

@dc42 said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

Sadly there is a patent on that.

Really? A patent on something so obvious?

Who holds the patent?

What country issued the patent? I know America is terrible about issuing patents without taking to time to research the existing technologies that may apply. You might say we issue the best patents money can buy.

Thanks.

Frederick