Connect Ubuntu PC Directly to DUET EtherNet Without a Router?

droftarts

@3mm Thanks for the information. You didn't update to 2.05.1? The M122 command reports "Used output buffers: 6 of 24 (8 max)", which is high. There were quite a lot of fixes in later RRF 2.x versions for this issue.

To update, you should be able to upload this file to DWC: https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/2.05.1/Duet2Firmware-2.05.1.zip
Download it as a zip (don't unzip it), and upload it to the Duet via DWC > Settings > General > Upload Files button.

Note that this WILL update DWC to version 2.x, which is a bit different from 1.x. You can go back to 1.x if you prefer it.

Ian

SupraGuy

Crossover cable issue has been addressed.

If I were dealing with a Linux PC, I'd probably use a separate network card and configure DHCP on that interface.

Google gave me a basic link to configure it here

This also allows you to use it with a switch for other network functions for things that you might not want connected to the Internet. You can also edit the configuration file to always assign the same IP address by MAC address, allowing you to always be able to find any given host by IP address, when desired.

My ISP router doesn't support assigning addresses to devices, so I shut off it's DHCP server entirely, and have set up DHCP services on a Linux machine so that I can always find things like my MotionEye cameras, the Duet, and a few other things on the network.

Edit: The advantage to doing it this way is that you can still take the Duet based printer somewhere else and still easily connect it to most networks.

3mm

@droftarts said in Connect Ubuntu PC Directly to DUET EtherNet Without a Router?:

@3mm Thanks for the information. You didn't update to 2.05.1? The M122 command reports "Used output buffers: 6 of 24 (8 max)", which is high. There were quite a lot of fixes in later RRF 2.x versions for this issue.

To update, you should be able to upload this file to DWC: https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/2.05.1/Duet2Firmware-2.05.1.zip
Download it as a zip (don't unzip it), and upload it to the Duet via DWC > Settings > General > Upload Files button.

Note that this WILL update DWC to version 2.x, which is a bit different from 1.x. You can go back to 1.x if you prefer it.

Ian

Thank you for your time in this matter and for the update link. I'll give it a whirl... In the mean time, I have successfully broken the Linux software connection point. I can not cause the EtherNet port to talk to the InterNet or to the printer. There is a bug in the mapping (NetPlan) software and it broke something for which I can not find any documentation. I chose xubuntu as it sports a smaller memory usage footprint than the standard ubuntu version. Only there is a problem, that port of Linux is poorly documented, does not have a large user community AND they changed a lot of the ways Linux operates AND it is really buggy! In my opinion. So, I'm going to overwrite it with a ubuntu 20.04.10 LTS OS, to try to get back to a standard Linux normalicy, so if there is a problem, I'll be able to find literature for it.

Thanks a lot...3mm

3mm

@SupraGuy said in Connect Ubuntu PC Directly to DUET EtherNet Without a Router?:

Crossover cable issue has been addressed.

If I were dealing with a Linux PC, I'd probably use a separate network card and configure DHCP on that interface.

Google gave me a basic link to configure it here

This also allows you to use it with a switch for other network functions for things that you might not want connected to the Internet. You can also edit the configuration file to always assign the same IP address by MAC address, allowing you to always be able to find any given host by IP address, when desired.

My ISP router doesn't support assigning addresses to devices, so I shut off it's DHCP server entirely, and have set up DHCP services on a Linux machine so that I can always find things like my MotionEye cameras, the Duet, and a few other things on the network.

Edit: The advantage to doing it this way is that you can still take the Duet based printer somewhere else and still easily connect it to most networks.

@SupraGuy

Unfortunately, my PC is a laptop, and actually I did try (using ubuntu 14.04 LTS) the DHCP method, but I was suffering the EtherNet dropout problem and DC42 asked that I capture the failure modality using WireShark, which I was unable to cause to work properly with that version of Linux. So I dug out an HP-8640p LapTop onto which I loaded a different version Linux OS & WireShark. However I could not cause that configuration to easily swap between static IP and DHCP, as I would like to be able to connect the LapTop to the InterNet occasionally, and other times only to the printer. Then I broke that OS somehow and I've given up trying to resolve that problem, I'm just going to rebuild the OS with a standard Ubuntu 20.04.10 LTS Linux. The Net Mapping (NetPlan) software is very powerful, but seems a bit sketchy, in my opinion.

Thanks for your suggestions - 3mm

SupraGuy

Seems to me that you should be able to run dhcpd on the wired interface to your laptop, and then use wireless for Internet. Even easier with laptops, usually, since wired connections are less common for places other than your home, I'd think.

Of course if you don't do wireless, it's still pretty easy to assign a static IP address that your Internet router doesn't hand out.

Say for example your router is on 192.168.0.1/24 You can assign 192.168.0.2/24 to the eth0 device, and configure the default gateway to 192.168.0.1. If it's not present (you're connected to the printer) then you don't get Internet, which is fine.

Set up your router to hand out addresses from 192.168.0.10 - 192.168.0.99

Set up your laptop to hand out addresses from 192.168.0.100-192.168.0.199. Reserve the MAC address for the Duet to 192.168.0.100. Set up the default route to 192.168.0.1, probably DNS servers too. (I'd set up DNS on my Linux machine for the LAN and use the router as a forwarder, or my ISP DNS, but that's more work.)

If you are plugged into the Duet, it gets it's address (192.168.0.100) and you're good to go. If you're plugged into the router, you have Internet. If something else connects to the network while you're plugged in, it MIGHT get an address from you, or it might get one from the router (Most things will query the router first, particularly if they were plugged into it before) but either way, it will work for Internet access.

Or... Just use wireless for Internet. I can understand wanting wired though. My internet is faster than my wireless, so everything that needs speed gets a wired connection.

3mm

@droftarts said in Connect Ubuntu PC Directly to DUET EtherNet Without a Router?:

@3mm Thanks for the information. You didn't update to 2.05.1? The M122 command reports "Used output buffers: 6 of 24 (8 max)", which is high. There were quite a lot of fixes in later RRF 2.x versions for this issue.

To update, you should be able to upload this file to DWC: https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/2.05.1/Duet2Firmware-2.05.1.zip
Download it as a zip (don't unzip it), and upload it to the Duet via DWC > Settings > General > Upload Files button.

Note that this WILL update DWC to version 2.x, which is a bit different from 1.x. You can go back to 1.x if you prefer it.

Ian

@droftarts (& DC42),

Ok, I uploaded v2.05 to the printer, and while, the new user interface is taking a bit of time with which myself to become accustomed, the http time-out (EtherNet dropout) problem has vanished, or so it seems. I have not tested every function but the newer version seems to have remedied the problem.

Thanks for the link and the instruction for installation.

3mm

3mm

@SupraGuy

Well I finally have it working. I discarded the xubuntu 20.04, just too buggy and virtually no information that matched the mods from the ubuntu fork. Now, I need to do is make hack together an EtherNet 'switch', a couple of toggle switches that routes the laptop either to my InterNet router or to the printer, OR the printer to the InterNet router! I've got all the configurations working. Essentially very similar to your strategy.

Thanks for the indepth answer.

3mm

3mm

@droftarts,

Note that this WILL update DWC to version 2.x, which is
a bit different from 1.x. You can go back to 1.x if you prefer it.

I clicked the 'Revert' to older user interface button, but where is the revert back button? I'd be interested to try to use that new interface for a time, to see how it works. Need I reinstall the whole FW packaged to regain that user interface?

Thanks in advance...3mm

droftarts

@3mm the 2.05.1 release has an early version of DWC 2, and includes a button to revert to DWC 1 for the current session. Note that DWC 1 is no longer being developed. Later versions of DWC (and you can use up to DWC 3.2.2) do not have the revert button. If you want to use DWC 1, which is still on the SD card, you can:

(Temporary) Appending '/reprap.htm' after the printer IP address/name in your browser address bar (updating to 2.x won't have deleted the old DWC v1.x files, but it's worth updating them too if you haven't already).
(Permanent) Deleting the ‘index.html’ and/or 'index.html.gz' file in the www folder on the SD card.

Make sure you are using the latest DWC 1.22.6 version; it’s in the 2.05.1 repository.
Manual for DWC 2 and 3 is here https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duet_Web_Control_v2_and_v3_(DWC)_Manual

Ian

3mm

@droftarts

Ok, will do. The screen re-reverted user interface returned after a power-cycle. I getting used to it, at first things seem scattered randomly about, but there is actually a logic strategy in it's implementation. On a 38,1cm/15" LapTop screen the fonts are a bit small, but with the 'dark' its useable. I'll get used to it. I printed a few things tonight using the Linux box and the new version. The user interface is obviously designed for production!! Heh heh. Gotta love it!

Thanks for everything...3mm

droftarts

@3mm said in Connect Ubuntu PC Directly to DUET EtherNet Without a Router?:

the fonts are a bit small

I find the opposite! I usually have my browser zoomed out to 90%. This is on a 15" Retina MacBook Pro. I guess you can always zoom in, though. You can also hid the side bar by clicking the 'three bars' icon at the top of the page, next to the machine name, to give yourself more space.

Ian

Schild0r

I find myself having a related problem:
I want to use my Duet 3 in standalone mode but hook it to the network using a direct connection. Not to a Windows or Ubuntu PC but instead to a raspberry pi running raspbian (no, I don't want to run the Duet 3 in SBC mode for reasons...).

I already configured the raspi to work as wired router after this tutorial. It even has a DHCP server and I can connect my PC to the pi directly and can access the internet through this without any problems.

But when I connect the Duet 3 to it I can not access the DWC by
either entering the ip address the Duet gets assigned from the DHCP server on the raspi (which I can read from YAT)
or entering the statically assigned IP from the raspberry pi ethernet adapter
(there is conflicting information on which one you should use here in the forum and here in the documentation)
subnet masks are all matching 255.255.255.0

I have the feeling that there are the right people here in this thread that can help me... I don't know what else I should try rn.

BTW if I connect the Duet 3 directly to the ISP router I can access DWC no problem entering the IP address I get from M552 in YAT.

------ probably unneccessary information ------
At first I set up the raspi using the same subnet as in the above mentioned tutorial 192.168.100.xx (192.168.100.1 for the raspi eth0 and 192.168.100.50-240 as DHCP range with the Duet 3 then being assigned 192.168.100.50) but noticed that 192.168.100.1 actually connected me to the setup page of my ISP router. I then switched to the 192.168.101.xx subnet and connecting my PC to the internet through this still works but I still can't connect to any IP address (neither the .1 of the raspi nor the .50 of the Duet 3 which again I checked in YAT)

I also already disabled the DHCP server on the raspi and assigned a static IP address to the Duet 3 but that made no difference
------ end of probably unneccessary information ------

dc42

@schild0r , have you tried using a crossover cable? The Duet Ethernet port doesn't auto-switch, and I don't know whether the RPi Ethernet port does.

Schild0r

@dc42 yes I tried patch cables and crossover cables

Schild0r

I noticed that even if the PC can connect to the internet through the direct connection with the raspi, I cannot ping it with another device from my wifi network. I think if I can manage to get this working I will have my solution.

stuartofmt

@schild0r

I happened across this and have wrestled with such problems mightily in the past (usually on a customer site just prior to a presentation).

If I missed this suggestion in the thread - I apologies but ....

When trying to connect PC-PC(or Duet) 1:1 via an ethernet cable -- its best to make sure than neither has it's wireless connection active. That way - you are trouble shooting only one problem (not a potential combination of interactions).

Also - turning off both firewalls until you get it working

Hope this helps.

Schild0r

@stuartofmt said in Connect Ubuntu PC Directly to DUET EtherNet Without a Router?:

If I missed this suggestion in the thread - I apologies but ....

When trying to connect PC-PC(or Duet) 1:1 via an ethernet cable -- its best to make sure than neither has it's wireless connection active. That way - you are trouble shooting only one problem (not a potential combination of interactions).

well the problem is that I am not troubleshooting the wired part of the PC-PC (RPI-Duet) connection but the wireless part of the PC: (:Router:) :RPI-Duet connection (wireless being the colons)

Also - turning off both firewalls until you get it working

Hope this helps.

that did not help either unfortunately

stuartofmt

@schild0r said in Connect Ubuntu PC Directly to DUET EtherNet Without a Router?:

well the problem is that I am not troubleshooting the wired part of the PC-PC (RPI-Duet) connection but the wireless part of the PC: (:Router:) :RPI-Duet connection (wireless being the colons)

Ah - OK. So the dash - between RPI and Duet is wired and the rest is wireless. In other words you want to bridge the ethernet to wlan on the Pi.
I've done that in the past but cannot remember all the ins-and-outs but it was somewhat convoluted (dnsmasq, iptables and etc.). From memory - the next time I had to do it - I found a longer ethernet cable and went straight to the router

This looks like it may be of help:

https://www.instructables.com/Share-WiFi-With-Ethernet-Port-on-a-Raspberry-Pi/

Good Luck.

Schild0r

@stuartofmt after asking another friend I ended up with a different tutorial that did the same thing I already did only a completely different way (I honestly have no clue what the script does I just copied to the pie, but it keeps the connected devices in the same subnet) and it works. I think your link may have also helped but this was a 3 minute solution.

Schild0r

@dc42 said in Connect Ubuntu PC Directly to DUET EtherNet Without a Router?:

The Duet Ethernet port doesn't auto-switch, and I don't know whether the RPi Ethernet port does.

FYI: I am using a RPi 4 B and it looks like it does auto switch. It's now working and I can use either cable