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    JoergS5 @DVD479
    last edited by 28 Nov 2021, 21:27

    @dvd479 I am wondering why your printout is so height, when it should be a cube. Either XY print much shorter than calculated or your Z layer heights are heigher than 20 mm. Can you please tell me the dimensions of the printouts?

    Do you have any gears at X, Y or Z steppers or Nema steppers with 400 instead of 200 steps?

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      JoergS5 @DVD479
      last edited by JoergS5 28 Nov 2021, 21:34

      @dvd479 Something is wrong with your config.g:

      M669 K1 ; switch to CoreXY mode
      M569 P5 T2.5:2.5:5:5 S0 ; physical drive 0 goes backwards
      M569 P6 T2.5:2.5:5:5 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes backwards
      M569 P2 S0 ; physical drive 2 goes backwards
      M569 P3 S1 ; physical drive 3 goes forwards
      M584 X6 Y5 Z7 E8 ; set drive mapping

      Z7 and E8 have no mapping to steppers, there are no M569 definitions.

      M350 Z2 with M92 Z80 is also a strange combination, what do you use for Z?

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        mrehorstdmd
        last edited by 28 Nov 2021, 22:12

        Photos of the printer...?

        https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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          DVD479
          last edited by 29 Nov 2021, 09:08

          the stl file represents a cube with 20mm side, for the z I had used M350 Z2 combined with M92 Z80 as I set the driver at 400 microstep and having a screw with 5mm pitch doing the calculation should result 400/5 = 80 which it should be the microsteps needed by the Z to move 1mm,
          the strange thing is that the cube is 20mm high and the sides are also 20mm the difference is in the printing angle which with slic3r is much lower while with CURA the deviation is greater

          thanks for the tips

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            JoergS5
            last edited by JoergS5 29 Nov 2021, 09:46

            your print bed could also move,resulting in this shift. Or while printing the object is moved. Images would definitely help now to think about possible reasons.

            About slic3r versus Cura, the g-code files have some different settings like bed temperature and filament temperature are different, this can be a reason. Thermal expansion of the bed e.g.

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              A Former User @JoergS5
              last edited by 29 Nov 2021, 12:47

              @joergs5

              So I have also layer shifts BUT ONLY when I´m switching tools.
              May we have a similar problem.....
              I slice with cura.

              Richard

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                JoergS5 @A Former User
                last edited by 29 Nov 2021, 14:35

                @gruna-studio please talk with @DVD479 , he has the problem.

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                  A Former User @DVD479
                  last edited by 29 Nov 2021, 15:15

                  @dvd479 So I have also layer shifts BUT ONLY when I´m switching tools.
                  May we have a similar problem.....
                  I slice with cura.

                  Richard

                  Any news?
                  I´m also frustrated about the offset.

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                    deckingman @DVD479
                    last edited by 29 Nov 2021, 15:38

                    @dvd479 At what angle is the part sloping with respect to the build plate? By that I means, does it slope front to back, left to right, or at 45 degrees to X and Y? A picture of the machine with the completed part on the build plate would be a great help.

                    Ian
                    https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                    https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                      Phaedrux Moderator @mrehorstdmd
                      last edited by 29 Nov 2021, 16:02

                      @mrehorstdmd said in Strange layer offset on coreXY:

                      I would try modifying the step/dir/en timing parameters in the M569 statements. You may be operating right at the limits or the external hardware. Try increasing the values until they are well above the minimum specs in the driver manual. In my sand table with servomotors I use

                      M569 P5 S1 R0 T4.0:5.0:6.0:12.0 ; drive 5 reverse, lo enable, timing parameters for servomotors
                      M569 P6 S1 R0 T4.0:5.0:6.0:12.0 ; drive 6 reverse, lo enable, timing parameters for servomotors

                      These values allow the motors to hit their back-emf speed limit of 3k rpm.

                      Some photos of the printer might be useful...

                      @DVD479 Have you taken a look at this yet?

                      Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                        DVD479
                        last edited by 29 Nov 2021, 16:16

                        first of all I want to thank all those who have given me useful advice to solve my problem. in conclusion it seems that the problem is solved using Slic3r and going to set the value of XY SIZE COMPENSATION after several attempts and in this way I was able to solve the positioning error and the 20mm cube was printed correctly. I just have to test if this procedure works with other more complex files but I think it can work.Screenshot (18).png

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                          DVD479
                          last edited by 29 Nov 2021, 16:18

                          Based on your experience, is this a valid solution or can cause problems on complex prints?

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                            mrehorstdmd @DVD479
                            last edited by 29 Nov 2021, 16:21

                            @dvd479 It doesn't make any sense that that would fix the problem. Something else is wrong. XY size compensation is there to adjust things like hole sizes that print smaller than design size. It's essentially going to scale the print size slightly. That should not fix a layer shifting problem.

                            Keep looking.

                            https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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                              DVD479
                              last edited by 29 Nov 2021, 16:31

                              thanks for the advice I will try to understand better what is the cause of the problem

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                                DVD479
                                last edited by 30 Nov 2021, 14:31

                                in the end I realized that the problem was not due to that parameter as you told me. as solution I reduced the transition speed and everything was fine

                                thank you all

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