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    • MortarArtundefined
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      I can't figure out if I need additional parameters to my M305 for some cartridge thermistors I have. My current setting is M305 P2 H0 T100000 B3950 ; but I read in old threads that this type of thermistor may need a C value set, but I couldn't find the calculator in the reprap firmware wizard.

      The documentation for the thermistor can be found here; https://trianglelab.net/u_file/2203/02/file/NTC100KB3950-1-2c16.pdf

      And it specifies a maximum value of 0.141 ohms at 300c. Is there a way to enter a specific temperature / ohms reading as a parameter?

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      • dc42undefined
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        @mortarart said in Configuring TriangleLab R100 3950k thermistor - have datasheet:

        I can't figure out if I need additional parameters to my M305 for some cartridge thermistors I have. My current setting is M305 P2 H0 T100000 B3950 ; but I read in old threads that this type of thermistor may need a C value set, but I couldn't find the calculator in the reprap firmware wizard.

        The documentation for the thermistor can be found here; https://trianglelab.net/u_file/2203/02/file/NTC100KB3950-1-2c16.pdf

        And it specifies a maximum value of 0.141 ohms at 300c. Is there a way to enter a specific temperature / ohms reading as a parameter?

        Yes, choose the Custom thermistor option in configtool, then enter three temperature/resistance pairs in the popup calculator.

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        • droftartsundefined
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          @mortarart There's a couple of ways you can do this. In the RRF configuration tool, click on the R (resistance), Beta or C parameter box to open the Calculate Heater Parameters pop-up, and select 'Custom' to put in your own values for resistance at particular temperatures. The thermistor parameters will be calculated from these.
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          Alternatively, or as a check, you can use the SRS Thermistor Calculator

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          You can see the results above. The Steinhart-Hart model should be more accurate than the Beta model. The SRS Thermistor Calculator calculates the S-H model slightly differently (using A and B parameters rather than R25 and Beta), but the C parameter is the same, so looks about right to me.

          Ian

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            @droftarts said in Configuring TriangleLab R100 3950k thermistor - have datasheet:

            The SRS Thermistor Calculator calculates the S-H model slightly differently (using A and B parameters rather than R25 and Beta), but the C parameter is the same, so looks about right to me.

            When using a C parameter, the B value you need for RRF in M305 or M308 is the reciprocal of the B value given by the SRS calculator, not the Beta value.

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              When using a C parameter, the B value you need for RRF in M305 or M308 is the reciprocal of the B value given by the SRS calculator, not the Beta value.

              @dc42 Thanks for the clarification! I'd forgotten how to go between the two.

              @MortarArt e.g.: 1 / 0.0002324878438 = 4301 which is the value the RRF configuration tool gives for the B parameter.

              Use M308 if you are using RRF 3.x. M305 is for RRF 1.x and 2.x, and is deprecated in 3.x.

              Ian

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