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    • o_lampeundefined
      o_lampe @Nordle
      last edited by

      @Nordle 51:1 is quite a big ratio, that will slow down the z-axis a lot...
      I've had good results with 4mm pitch ballscrews and 3:1 geared stepper, another user is happy with his rhino-drive a worm geared stepper. (not sure about it's gear ratio)

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      • Aitorundefined
        Aitor @Nordle
        last edited by Aitor

        Good morning @Nordle

        You can assign different steps to different motors

        Imagine you put the gearbox to driver 8, you should have the command like this, if I'm not confused, they go in order according to the assignment in the mapping (M584)

        M92 Z80:4000:80

        This applies to all the driver commands, but I don't know what will happen if you set different accelerations or jerk, I understand that it doesn't make sense or it's not possible.

        On the other hand in my opinion without seeing your machine 50:1 seems too much, surely a 10:1 is more than enough or less as @O_LAMPE says.

        Best regards

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        • jay_s_ukundefined
          jay_s_uk @Aitor
          last edited by

          @Aitor no, that won't work. you can't assign different steps per mm for different motors on the same axis

          Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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          • Aitorundefined
            Aitor @jay_s_uk
            last edited by

            Good morning @jay_s_uk

            I have tested this on the E axle, what I can't say is if the rest of the axles behave the same, but I understood that they do.

            Best regards

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            • jay_s_ukundefined
              jay_s_uk @Aitor
              last edited by

              @Aitor you can for extruders as its expected that people will have different tools etc. for a conventional movement axis, such as X, Y or Z etc it isn't supported

              Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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              • Aitorundefined
                Aitor @jay_s_uk
                last edited by

                Good morning @jay_s_uk

                Ok, that's clear, a pity because it would have been a good solution for @NORDLE

                And you are right, because I couldn't avoid doing a test, and although it doesn't show error when putting M92 Y100:150 it only keeps M92 Y100 and the axes move correctly.

                Thanks for the clarification

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                • dc42undefined
                  dc42 administrators @Nordle
                  last edited by

                  @Nordle have you considered using stepper motors with brakes?

                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                  • Nordleundefined
                    Nordle
                    last edited by Nordle

                    Thanks for all the helpful replies.
                    @o_lampe I would like to stay away from ball screws, as they tend to be rather expensive or a cheap hit/miss. And I'm already very impressed by the results of the belted Z. I did consider other gearing solutions like a worm gear but it is the same pita as acquiring quality ball screws, and a mediocre solution would probably give me more headache than my current counterweights.
                    I didn't think about the gearing ratio to much, went a little crazy probably should choose less ratio.
                    How is your ball screw setup geared? belt and pulleys?
                    I could probably do a 1/10 belted space wise.

                    @jay_s_uk special thanks for the clarifications

                    @dc42 I didn't. something like this first I could find on aliexpress? Are they in holding position when no power is applied?

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                    • Dad003undefined
                      Dad003
                      last edited by Dad003

                      You need different ratio of pulley , I run belt for my z axis . I have 2 60mm stepper motor tie to the following pulley 20 to 60-20 to 60-20, I have heavy bed and it doesn't move when power off , you can push it down but you need a decent amount of force with .9 deg stepper I have around 1400 step for one turn if memory correct

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                      • dc42undefined
                        dc42 administrators @Nordle
                        last edited by dc42

                        @Nordle said in Single Axis multiple stepper with different steps/mm possible?:

                        @dc42 I didn't. something like this first I could find on aliexpress? Are they in holding position when no power is applied?

                        Normally the brake is engaged when power is not applied. Applying power to the brake solenoid releases the brake. RRF 3.4 and later support motors with brakes, see the M569.7 command.

                        Make sure that the brake solenoid voltage matches your VIN voltage. 24V is typical.

                        If your machine suffers a sudden loss of power, the brake may not engage quickly enough to prevent a slight drop. Using M18 in the M911 power fail script may speed up application of the brake, especially in RRF 3.5.

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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