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    • hpizundefined
      hpiz @timschneider
      last edited by

      @timschneider So it's better, but still has moments when it fails, had the same behavior 2 out of 6 tests. Unfortunately still not good enough...

      Video of one of the two failures to stop with M669 K0 S2 T1...
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f8hx3Qj4nXPbtJ93OoA9ezyFlq1tjeU4/view?usp=sharing

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      • sinned6915undefined
        sinned6915 @hpiz
        last edited by

        @hpiz i am literally struggling with today too....

        I think that Duet for a router or CNC is fine. the problem is we need to config EVERYTHING.

        i was thinking that my estop button will cut motor power only, not controller power.

        problem is, i think that the system will still try to move the motors with the 5V controller input power.

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        • hpizundefined
          hpiz @sinned6915
          last edited by

          @sinned6915 I'm not really worried about my manual estop button, that will cut all power via relays, this is for situations like a power supply failure, over-torque, or lost steps, things I can't detect with my 5 human senses, let alone react fast enough to.

          And I keep coming back to, there is no config for M112, it should just stop everything.

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          • timschneiderundefined
            timschneider @hpiz
            last edited by timschneider

            @hpiz
            Maybe it is some kind of a bug.

            can you enable event logging? Post your config.g, your movement macro and describe your setup in more detail. Do you use the Enable Pin on your servo controllers?

            M929 P"0:/sys/eventlog.txt" S3
            

            and reproduce the error.

            If your movement macro looks something like

            while true
              G1 X10 F20000
              G1 X600 F20000
            

            change it to:

            while true
              G1 X10 F20000
              G1 X600 F20000
              G4 P500
            

            as the first example will cause the duet to have 100% system load and the sending of the M112 may fail or is delayed.

            Maybe @dc42 can help us with that, as I don't understand the first stop and the second and final stop. What is causing the first stop? as it is not the M112.

            EDIT: I thought somehow that he is in SBC mode.

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            • gloomyandyundefined
              gloomyandy
              last edited by

              Are you running standalone or with an SBC? As above more details of your configuration will probably help folks investigate further.

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              • hpizundefined
                hpiz @timschneider
                last edited by hpiz

                @timschneider and @gloomyandy Sounds like I've got some homework today, yes, I will gather all information, logs, and run the suggested tests and modifications, until then I can certainly fill in what the setup is...

                • Running Duet 6XD with no SBC

                • Utilizing enable signal on all drives, currently active disabled/low (plan to reverse in future for safety)

                • Utilizing error signal on all drives, currently active enabled/high (again plan to reverse for safety, especially when 3.5.1 comes out with polarity configuration per drive for error signals)

                @timschneider said in Movement after M112 E-Stop!:

                Maybe @dc42 can help us with that, as I don't understand the first stop and the second and final stop. What is causing the first stop? as it is not the M112.

                My understanding is that M112 is executed on the first stop, the DWC even immediately shows the Estop message and darkens the webpage (message can almost be seen in https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f8hx3Qj4nXPbtJ93OoA9ezyFlq1tjeU4/view, but you can see the webpage darken on first stop)

                @timschneider said in Movement after M112 E-Stop!:

                Maybe you hit a case where the setup is not getting any low latency.

                The first stop is always very low latency, mere milliseconds. Unless that stop is somehow unrelated to M112 then it's not taking too long to trigger for my needs.

                • Config.g was posted earlier and is still current

                • I don't intend to use loops in macros really, this is just the best movement test I could come up, I will try and get an actual job running as well and test

                • The movement macro loop used in the above posted videos is

                G91
                while {iterations<5}
                   G1 Y-100 F4000
                   G1 Y100 F4000
                
                • A dwell in the loop would not be representative of an actual job (even if it works, it wouldn't prove that a real job will stop) so I think I will try...
                G91
                G1 Y-100 F4000
                G1 Y100 F4000
                G1 Y-100 F4000
                G1 Y100 F4000
                G1 Y-100 F4000
                G1 Y100 F4000
                G1 Y-100 F4000
                G1 Y100 F4000
                G1 Y-100 F4000
                G1 Y100 F4000
                
                • Macros will be used for automatic tool changing and accessories like mist coolant, touch probes, etc

                • I'm just a measly sys admin by day so these embedded systems are somewhat foreign to me in terms of their system architecture and data flow. But I feel like the focus on the driver error signal is not warranted. As I've shown in video, this can happen regardless of the means by which M112 is sent (I just like grabbing the drive because it's my primary objective, as I will not utilize M112 to manually stop the machine, will use button to relays for power cut).

                When I have logging and more answers to my "homework questions" I'll be sure to post them.

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                • hpizundefined
                  hpiz @timschneider
                  last edited by

                  @timschneider Here is the latest test run configuration that started moving again after clicking the EStop button in DWC in the following macro...

                  Y Movement Loop

                  G91
                  G1 Y-100 F4000
                  G1 Y100 F4000
                  
                  G1 Y-100 F4000
                  G1 Y100 F4000
                  
                  G1 Y-100 F4000
                  G1 Y100 F4000
                  
                  G1 Y-100 F4000
                  G1 Y100 F4000
                  
                  
                  G1 Y-100 F4000
                  G1 Y100 F4000
                  

                  with the following config.g

                  ; Configuration file for Duet 3 MB 6XD (firmware version 3.3)
                  ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                  ;
                  ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.3.16 on Wed Jul 26 2023 17:05:34 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
                  
                  ; General preferences
                  G90                             ; send absolute coordinates...
                  M550 P"JP-60120"                ; set printer name
                  M929 P"0:/sys/eventlog.txt" S3  ; Enable debug logging
                  
                  ;CNC Mode
                  M950 R0 C"out8+out5" Q20 L24000 ; Create spindle index 0, with PWM pin on heater 3 and 12000 RPM achieved at full PWM
                  M563 P1 S"Spindle 1" R0         ; Create tool 1 with spindle 0 and call it "Spindle 1"
                  M453                            ; Select CNC device mode
                  M669 K0 S2 T1
                  
                  
                  ; CNC Pendant Enable
                  M575 P1 S1 B57600               ;Enable serial comm on io0 56700 baud rate
                  
                  ; Set up outputs
                  M950 P0 C"out4" ; Define tool loosen pin as P0 mapped to output 8
                  M950 P1 C"out3" ; Define chip blast pin as P1 mapped to output 7
                  M950 P2 C"out7" ; Define mist coolant pin as P2 mapped to output 6
                  M950 P3 C"out6" ; Define touch blast pin as P3 mapped to output 4
                  
                  ; Set up inputs
                  M950 J0 C"io1.in" ;Define tool probe depressed over limit from io3 to Pin 0
                  M950 J1 C"!io8.in.iso" ;Define VFD Fault input from io8 to Pin 1
                  
                  ; Network
                  M552 P0.0.0.0 S1                ; enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
                  M586 P0 S1                      ; enable HTTP
                  M586 P1 S0                      ; disable FTP
                  M586 P2 S0                      ; disable Telnet
                  
                  ; Drives
                  M569 P0.4 S0 T3:3:6:0       ; physical drive 0.4 goes backwards
                  M569 P0.5 S0 T3:3:6:0       ; driver 5 requires an active high enable, 2.5us minimum step pulse, 2.5us minimum step interval, 5us DIR setup time and no hold time
                  M569 P0.3 S0 T3:3:6:0       ; driver 5 requires an active high enable, 2.5us minimum step pulse, 2.5us minimum step interval, 5us DIR setup time and no hold time
                  M569 P0.0 S0 R0 T5:5:9:0       ; physical drive 0.0 goes backwards
                  M569 P0.1 S1                    ; physical drive 0.1 goes forwards
                  M569 P0.2 S1                    ; physical drive 0.2 goes forwards
                  M584 X0.3 Y0.4:0.5 Z0.0             ; set drive mapping
                  M92 X160.00 Y320.00 Z640.00     ; set steps per mm
                  M566 X1800.00 Y180.00 Z120.00     ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                  M203 X15000.00 Y12000.00 Z5000.00 I5  ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                  M201 X400.00 Y200.00 Z200.00        ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                  M564 H0                         ; Allow stepper movement before homing
                  ; Axis Limits
                  M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1                ; set axis minima
                  M208 X600 Y1200 Z170 S0         ; set axis maxima
                  
                  ; Endstops
                  ;M574 X1 S1 P"io0.in"            ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for low end on X via pin io0.in
                  M574 Y2 S1 P"!io2.in+!io4.in"   ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop active low for high end on Y via pin io5.in and io2.in
                  M574 Z2 S1 P"!io8.in"            ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for high end on Z via pin io2.in
                  
                  ; Z-Probe
                  M558 P5 C"io3.in" H5 F120 T6000 ; set Z probe type to switch and the dive height + speeds
                  
                  ;Triggers
                  M581 T2 P0 S1 ; Run trigger2.g on pin 0 active->inactive for tool probe overpress
                  M581 T3 P1 S1 ; Run trigger3.g (EmStop) when pin 9 goes from active to inactive indicating VFD fault
                  
                  
                  ; Heaters
                  M140 H-1                        ; disable heated bed (overrides default heater mapping)
                  
                  ; Fans
                  
                  ; Tools
                  M563 P0 D0 F0                   ; define tool 0
                  G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                  
                  
                  
                  ;Machine Initialization
                  M18                          ; disable all steppers
                  M17                          ; enable z stepper so it doesn't fall
                  
                  ; Custom settings are not defined
                  
                  
                  

                  and the following eventlog.txt was recorded

                  power up + 00:00:00 [info] Event logging started at level debug
                  power up + 00:00:00 [info] Running: Duet 3 MB6XD v1.01 or later: 3.4.6 (2023-07-21 14:11:58)
                  power up + 00:00:00 [debug] HTTP is enabled on port 80
                  power up + 00:00:00 [debug] FTP is disabled
                  power up + 00:00:00 [debug] TELNET is disabled
                  power up + 00:00:00 [warn] Error: Pin 'io8.in' is not free
                  power up + 00:00:00 [warn] Error: bad drive number
                  power up + 00:00:00 [warn] Error: in file macro line 74: G10: Invalid tool number
                  power up + 00:00:03 [debug] Done!
                  power up + 00:00:03 [debug] RepRapFirmware for Duet 3 MB6XD is up and running.
                  power up + 00:00:10 [warn] Ethernet running, IP address = 10.0.0.210
                  power up + 00:00:10 [warn] HTTP client 10.0.0.10 login succeeded
                  2023-10-29 16:08:29 [warn] Date and time set at power up + 00:00:10
                  2023-10-29 16:09:21 [warn] HTTP client 10.0.0.214 login succeeded
                  2023-10-29 16:09:21 [warn] HTTP client 10.0.0.214 login succeeded
                  2023-10-29 16:09:22 [warn] HTTP client 10.0.0.10 login succeeded
                  2023-10-29 16:09:23 [warn] HTTP client 10.0.0.221 login succeeded
                  2023-10-29 16:10:21 [info] Event logging stopped
                  

                  Other than letting me know I have a total of 3 different computers in my house with DWC up in the browser, and confirming my theory that opto-isolated inputs are shared with direct inputs as I was feeling was the case, but is not documented clearly (note: Z axis endstop is not even wired yet), it doesn't reveal much.

                  I didn't record this one, because the behavior is identical to the ones I've already posted. This is feeling more and more like a very low level firmware bug.

                  I was out all day at a machine shop trying to mill some parts needed for my machine (replacing the plastic carriage brackets for gantry), so I didn't and probably won't have time today to test a proper G code job, but I suspect much the same, and also doesn't make it happening in a macro ok.

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                  • timschneiderundefined
                    timschneider @hpiz
                    last edited by timschneider

                    thank you for the details.

                    @hpiz said in Movement after M112 E-Stop!:

                    M564 H0 ; Allow stepper movement before homing

                    can you try to remove this from your config and instead set a homing for Y manual via M92 Y0 and try again?

                    And do you use some kind of input filter on your servo drives? or are they using some sort of input filter by default?

                    Because the M112 command is doing different things:

                    • it will disable all drivers (disable the enable pin)
                    • will erase all movement commands from the output-queue (also from the input queue?)
                    • stop generating Platform Ticks
                    • reset gcode
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                    • hpizundefined
                      hpiz @timschneider
                      last edited by

                      @timschneider So these are my first experience using servo motors so I'm not really well versed with them, but I believe there is no input filtering currently set on them as per the highlighted setting in the following image link...
                      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f_pghiU0pyJKdWfWDeJs9BGFsF7hdGVT/view

                      Ok, so I've commented the M564 out so current config.g is...

                      ; Configuration file for Duet 3 MB 6XD (firmware version 3.3)
                      ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                      ;
                      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.3.16 on Wed Jul 26 2023 17:05:34 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
                      
                      ; General preferences
                      G90                             ; send absolute coordinates...
                      M550 P"JP-60120"                ; set printer name
                      M929 P"0:/sys/eventlog.txt" S3  ; Enable debug logging
                      
                      ;CNC Mode
                      M950 R0 C"out8+out5" Q20 L24000 ; Create spindle index 0, with PWM pin on heater 3 and 12000 RPM achieved at full PWM
                      M563 P1 S"Spindle 1" R0         ; Create tool 1 with spindle 0 and call it "Spindle 1"
                      M453                            ; Select CNC device mode
                      M669 K0 S2 T1
                      
                      
                      ; CNC Pendant Enable
                      M575 P1 S1 B57600               ;Enable serial comm on io0 56700 baud rate
                      
                      ; Set up outputs
                      M950 P0 C"out4" ; Define tool loosen pin as P0 mapped to output 8
                      M950 P1 C"out3" ; Define chip blast pin as P1 mapped to output 7
                      M950 P2 C"out7" ; Define mist coolant pin as P2 mapped to output 6
                      M950 P3 C"out6" ; Define touch blast pin as P3 mapped to output 4
                      
                      ; Set up inputs
                      M950 J0 C"io1.in" ;Define tool probe depressed over limit from io3 to Pin 0
                      M950 J1 C"!io8.in.iso" ;Define VFD Fault input from io8 to Pin 1
                      
                      ; Network
                      M552 P0.0.0.0 S1                ; enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
                      M586 P0 S1                      ; enable HTTP
                      M586 P1 S0                      ; disable FTP
                      M586 P2 S0                      ; disable Telnet
                      
                      ; Drives
                      M569 P0.4 S0 T3:3:6:0       ; physical drive 0.4 goes backwards
                      M569 P0.5 S0 T3:3:6:0       ; driver 5 requires an active high enable, 2.5us minimum step pulse, 2.5us minimum step interval, 5us DIR setup time and no hold time
                      M569 P0.3 S0 T3:3:6:0       ; driver 5 requires an active high enable, 2.5us minimum step pulse, 2.5us minimum step interval, 5us DIR setup time and no hold time
                      M569 P0.0 S0 R0 T5:5:9:0       ; physical drive 0.0 goes backwards
                      M569 P0.1 S1                    ; physical drive 0.1 goes forwards
                      M569 P0.2 S1                    ; physical drive 0.2 goes forwards
                      M584 X0.3 Y0.4:0.5 Z0.0             ; set drive mapping
                      M92 X160.00 Y320.00 Z640.00     ; set steps per mm
                      M566 X1800.00 Y180.00 Z120.00     ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                      M203 X15000.00 Y12000.00 Z5000.00 I5  ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                      M201 X400.00 Y200.00 Z200.00        ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                      ;M564 H0                         ; Allow stepper movement before homing
                      ; Axis Limits
                      M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1                ; set axis minima
                      M208 X600 Y1200 Z170 S0         ; set axis maxima
                      
                      ; Endstops
                      ;M574 X1 S1 P"io0.in"            ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for low end on X via pin io0.in
                      M574 Y2 S1 P"!io2.in+!io4.in"   ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop active low for high end on Y via pin io5.in and io2.in
                      M574 Z2 S1 P"!io8.in"            ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for high end on Z via pin io2.in
                      
                      ; Z-Probe
                      M558 P5 C"io3.in" H5 F120 T6000 ; set Z probe type to switch and the dive height + speeds
                      
                      ;Triggers
                      M581 T2 P0 S1 ; Run trigger2.g on pin 0 active->inactive for tool probe overpress
                      M581 T3 P1 S1 ; Run trigger3.g (EmStop) when pin 9 goes from active to inactive indicating VFD fault
                      
                      
                      ; Heaters
                      M140 H-1                        ; disable heated bed (overrides default heater mapping)
                      
                      ; Fans
                      
                      ; Tools
                      M563 P0 D0 F0                   ; define tool 0
                      G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                      
                      
                      
                      ;Machine Initialization
                      M18                          ; disable all steppers
                      M17                          ; enable z stepper so it doesn't fall
                      
                      ; Custom settings are not defined
                      

                      I also made a test job file...
                      1001.g

                      ;1001
                      ;T24  D=10 CR=0 - ZMIN=-1 - FLAT END MILL
                      G90
                      G21
                      
                      
                      G1 Y500 F4000
                      G1 Y600 F4000
                      
                      G1 Y500 F4000
                      G1 Y600 F4000
                      
                      G1 Y500 F4000
                      G1 Y600 F4000
                      
                      G1 Y500 F4000
                      G1 Y600 F4000
                      
                      G1 Y500 F4000
                      G1 Y600 F4000
                      

                      Same behavior...

                      And here is the debug log

                      power up + 00:00:00 [info] Event logging started at level debug
                      power up + 00:00:00 [info] Running: Duet 3 MB6XD v1.01 or later: 3.4.6 (2023-07-21 14:11:58)
                      power up + 00:00:00 [debug] HTTP is enabled on port 80
                      power up + 00:00:00 [debug] FTP is disabled
                      power up + 00:00:00 [debug] TELNET is disabled
                      power up + 00:00:00 [warn] Error: Pin 'io8.in' is not free
                      power up + 00:00:00 [warn] Error: bad drive number
                      power up + 00:00:00 [warn] Error: in file macro line 74: G10: Invalid tool number
                      power up + 00:00:03 [debug] Done!
                      power up + 00:00:03 [debug] RepRapFirmware for Duet 3 MB6XD is up and running.
                      power up + 00:00:10 [warn] Ethernet running, IP address = 10.0.0.210
                      power up + 00:00:10 [warn] HTTP client 10.0.0.10 login succeeded
                      2023-10-30 17:34:44 [warn] Date and time set at power up + 00:00:10
                      2023-10-30 17:34:44 [warn] HTTP client 10.0.0.221 login succeeded
                      2023-10-30 17:34:44 [warn] HTTP client 10.0.0.221 login succeeded
                      2023-10-30 17:34:44 [warn] HTTP client 10.0.0.214 login succeeded
                      2023-10-30 17:34:44 [warn] HTTP client 10.0.0.214 login succeeded
                      2023-10-30 17:34:44 [warn] HTTP client 10.0.0.10 login succeeded
                      2023-10-30 17:36:23 [warn] Error: G0/G1: insufficient axes homed
                      2023-10-30 17:36:34 [warn] Started printing file 0:/gcodes/1001.gcode
                      2023-10-30 17:36:34 [debug] File 0:/gcodes/1001.gcode selected for printing
                      2023-10-30 17:36:48 [debug] Done printing file
                      2023-10-30 17:36:48 [debug] Done printing file
                      2023-10-30 17:36:48 [warn] Cancelled printing file 0:/gcodes/1001.gcode, print time was 0h 0m
                      2023-10-30 17:36:48 [info] Event logging stopped
                      

                      Then, based on your comment about the servo input filtering, I decided to test both my Y axis servo motors, and my Z which is a stepper...

                      1001.g with Z movement

                      ;1001
                      ;T24  D=10 CR=0 - ZMIN=-1 - FLAT END MILL
                      G90
                      G21
                      
                      
                      G1 Y500 Z100 F4000
                      G1 Y600 Z0 F4000
                      
                      G1 Y500 Z100 F4000
                      G1 Y600 Z0 F4000
                      
                      G1 Y500 Z100 F4000
                      G1 Y600 Z0 F4000
                      
                      G1 Y500 Z100 F4000
                      G1 Y600 Z0 F4000
                      
                      G1 Y500 Z100 F4000
                      G1 Y600 Z0 F4000
                      

                      And in the video below, the stepper also moves after the first stop (though not as far or as long as the servos, not sure if the amount of movement per axis has any impact), so even with steppers, there would still be enough movement to easily break a tool or shove the tool right through my part or bed. (Note: the Z axis stepper is the thing with the yellow tape flag spinning with the shaft)

                      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ffUtCYofIbbLlfk8L9m_zjEHs5LbMnmi/view?usp=sharing

                      I've also noticed I can get pretty much 100% failure rate by triggering an estop near the end of a move.

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                      • hpizundefined
                        hpiz @hpiz
                        last edited by hpiz

                        @hpiz Idk if it matters, but I didn't explicitly mention that all my axes are driven with closed loop external drivers.

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                        • hpizundefined
                          hpiz @timschneider
                          last edited by

                          @timschneider I also want to really share my appreciation with you trying to help me out with this, you could just ignore my problems and focus on your own stuff, but to be getting support from a fellow CNC'er (who has an epic router) does not go without my gratitude. I commend your interest in getting more CNC machines running on a Duet!

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                          • timschneiderundefined
                            timschneider @hpiz
                            last edited by

                            @hpiz
                            are your drivers enable active high or active low?

                            @hpiz said in Movement after M112 E-Stop!:

                            Utilizing enable signal on all drives, currently active disabled/low (plan to reverse in future for safety)

                            can you tell in which position the driver enable jumper is?

                            Driver Enable Polarity 	A jumper in the "left" position is used for external drivers which are enabled when a voltage is applied to the enable connection (Active Enable). A jumper in the "right" position is used for external drivers which are disabled when a voltage is applied to the enable connection (Active Disable) (Note the v0.1 boards have the silkscreen reversed).
                            
                            M569 P0.4 S0 T3:3:6:0
                            M569 P0.5 S0 T3:3:6:0
                            

                            This will fallback to the default, because no R parameter is set, and the default is active low:

                            Rnnn Driver enable polarity: 0 = active low, 1 = active high, -1 = driver is always disabled and is not monitored (default 0)
                            
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                            • dc42undefined
                              dc42 administrators @hpiz
                              last edited by dc42

                              @hpiz I am trying to understand this behaviour. When M112 is processed it disables all drivers immediately and shuts down the movement system. So I don't see how movement can continue.

                              Do you see the Driver Error message in DWC? Unfortuately your video is not clear enough for me to read the message boxes on the laptop.

                              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                              • hpizundefined
                                hpiz @dc42
                                last edited by

                                @timschneider Currently Active low on all drivers. Jumper is on Active Low, (left for me because I mounted the board upside-down)

                                Enable Jumper Picture

                                Also, M18 and M17 work exactly as expected for all or specific drivers.

                                @dc42 I currently have a driver-error system macro, it was suggested to try removing my M291 message pop-up that I had indicating which driver failed (pretty much identical to the default message when driver-error doesn't exist), so it doesn't have any popups right now, my driver-error system macro is just a single line, M112. Having said that, when the message was in the macro it showed the correct driver that throws the error. The only visual indication of driver error is the yellow toast on the bottom of the laptop's screen indicating "Emergency Stop: yada yada"

                                Let me know whatever information/videos you need related to this.

                                BTW I've been uploading all the my images and videos to Google Drive which compresses the preview for both file types. If you download the files the quality of both is much better.

                                There's really not much physically set up on this machine so I am more than willing to try watered down/minimalist/test config.g's since I only have the one axis actually fully wired and assembled mechanically(the dual Y).

                                I also have an analog oscilloscope that may become useful, although a digital one would be more appropriate.

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                                • timschneiderundefined
                                  timschneider @hpiz
                                  last edited by timschneider

                                  @hpiz said in Movement after M112 E-Stop!:

                                  Also, M18 and M17 work exactly as expected for all or specific drivers.

                                  that was the next check I had in mind 🙂

                                  so I'm starting to run out of ideas.

                                  But one thing I've noticed while looking at the wiring/jumper picture is, that the GND Pin of the driver header is not connected. Can you show us a picture of the duet, one servo driver and the z-closed loop driver wiring? And maybe provide the datasheet for the drivers.

                                  Cause I needed the seperate GND connection between the Duet and each closed loop driver, for the alarm pin.

                                  And another thought, is your power supply strong enough to provide the over current in the stall event?

                                  I have not been able to observe this behaviour with my setup, so this is the reason why I try to understand this as good as possible and in the end hopefully solve the problem for you as well 🙂

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                                    @timschneider Seeing as the control signals for drivers pull to ground and all my drivers use optoisolated inputs, I am using 5v as common and the only ground connected per cable is the shield ground which flies over with the endpoint signal wire over the the IO headers and is grounded there.

                                    My alarms for the servos are optoisolated for pull up, the z driver for the stepper is reverse poloarized optoisolated for pulldown, so I actually have the error pin for that one going to common (shared with alarm and brake) and 5v going into it's alarm output. I will eventually change to the proper setup and place a resistor between 5v and the alarm output, and ground on common to create an error low circuit. And then through configuration of integrated servos, change the output to be on when not in error so all drivers are error low.

                                    I'm using JMC 400W integrated servos on Y and X
                                    JMC Manual

                                    And the Z is a StepperOnline closed loop 400W stepper
                                    StepperOnline driver Manual

                                    Full Duet board picture

                                    Regarding power supplies, I actually don't know if there is enough overhead for stall current when it is moving at full speed and the 50kg of gantry and spindle are attached, but I think at the slow speed it is moving during these tests, and only moving the rotational inertia of the ballscrew plus the linear inertia of the little linear bearing, I would guesstimate there is little to no backfeed during these test.

                                    There is one power supply for the Duet and 24V accessories (endstops, relays, solenoids,etc...) and one for each driver. The Duet/Acc PSU is 480W and the driver ones are all 36V 600W, all PSU's are switch mode.

                                    Pic of PSU's just for fun

                                    Edit: forgot the other pics

                                    All driver wiring uses the following color code:
                                    Yellow - 5V
                                    Blue - Step/Pulse
                                    White - Dir
                                    Green - Enable
                                    Red - Error/Alarm
                                    Orange - Endstop input (except Z, unused for Z)
                                    Brown - Unused
                                    Black - Unused
                                    Shield - Ground on Duet side

                                    Back view of servo wiring

                                    "Top" view of servo wiring

                                    Just a pic showing the orange endstop signal wire going to the endstop wire

                                    Z Driver wiring

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                                      @hpiz hm, so I don't see anything wrong ...
                                      Out of curiosity, can you try running your movement job file and pressing the emergency stop in the DWC? is it still moving?

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                                        @timschneider When I get home from work today I'll grab that video evidence, but it does the same thing, albeit sometimes heavily delayed (~3-4 seconds), due to my WiFi I think, I've been having some intermittent disconnect issues with it lately.

                                        @dc42 would know best I think, but is it possible there is a need to either reflash my firmware, or possibly an issue with the board (I find the latter hard to believe).

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                                          @hpiz maybe a dumb question, but do you have a while loop in your daemon.g without a G4?

                                          I try to understand what is causing the delay, as dc42 said, if the M112 is processed, there should be no delay. So something is maybe delaying the processing of the M112, but again that is not explaining the first and the second stop. That was the reason why I asked for the power supply (short power down/undervoltage can cause many different sotware problems), but I think this is sufficient. The reason why I keep asking about the while loops without a "break" is, that the control of the gcode processing is not handed back to process other codes if it is running in a tight loop. Or if for what ever reason there is a blocking(queueable) G-Code infront of the M112, the processing of the M112 will be delayed e.g. turn a relay off with M42 (that was the reason why I asked you to put the M112 at the first and only position of the driver-error.g).

                                          On last idea is, to wire an e-stop and configure it as a estop in duet - just to rule the gcode processing out. if this also failes, it is something in the movement system or the drivers itself, but I don't think it is related to the drivers cause you are using two different kinds of drivers (servos and steppers)

                                          e.g. recycle your tool probe depressed over limit and uncomment T2 under triggers

                                          M581 T0 P0 S1 R0
                                          
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                                            @timschneider Here's a test without the additional modifications you suggested using the EStop button in DWC...

                                            https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hTqF0GCi4dEQjOZyk1uR_Ctzywv-66Zg/view?usp=drive_link

                                            I really think the delay I mentioned is just a network communication delay and not a delay within the Duet itself (it's not delayed every time), but I could be wrong. I would rate this test as having zero delay, as soon as I hit the button the first (very short) stop happened "instantly".

                                            @timschneider said in Movement after M112 E-Stop!:

                                            maybe a dumb question, but do you have a while loop in your daemon.g without a G4?

                                            I don't think any question about this behavior could be considered dumb, but no, I haven't even made a daemon.g, the only configuration I've done so far is the config.g, a few custom M command system macros, and the driver-error system macro everything else is stock.

                                            Screenshot of Duet System Files
                                            ^Any file with a modify date of 7/26/2023 is unmodified. Everything other than config.g is very very simple, but let me know if I need to share the contents of any of them.

                                            @timschneider said in Movement after M112 E-Stop!:

                                            I keep asking about the while loops without a "break" is, that the control of the gcode processing is not handed back to process other codes if it is running in a tight loop.

                                            I agree completely, it's what I would assume first as well, that would presumably have the same effect I'm having, but I only ever had the one loop in my movement test macro, no other loops were defined by me anywhere else.

                                            And finally, I changed the tool probe overpress trigger to T0 and got the same behavior...

                                            https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hVCYuPwHx6Yzlz80FHZKv9pIseA7QbPQ/view?usp=sharing

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