Cartesian - Z-endstop & homing (Max or Min)?
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I have reverted to Z-probe homing - I replaced the Z-max endstop with a proximity sensor and it was working well but I was having real trouble levelling the bed so I went back to the Z-probe.
Only problem is that it is again showing a negative offset. I'm using one of the IR probes, have run through the process on https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com/mini-height-sensor-board/ a number of times and have the Z offset set to 2.43mm (I was consistently getting this when I tested). When I lower the head to 0mm it just grips a sheet of paper (I'll set the Z-offset later to make that 0.2mm)
Despite this, I get a negative offset when running the bed mesh or compensation. What am I doing wrong?
; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 1.20 or newer) ; executed by the firmware on start-up ; ; General preferences M111 S0 ; Debugging off G21 ; Work in millimetres G90 ; Send absolute coordinates... M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves M555 P2 ; Set firmware compatibility to look like Marlin M911 S21 R22 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000" ; Configure automatic saving on power loss M208 X-19 Y-4 Z0 S1 ; Set axis minima M208 X240 Y247 Z196.1 S0 ; Set axis maxima ; Endstops Z-probe M574 X1 Y2 S1 ; Set active high endstops M574 Z1 S2 ; Set endstops controlled by probe M558 P1 H10 F300 T8000 ; Set Z probe type to unmodulated and the dive height + speeds G31 P500 X9 Y21 Z2.43 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height M557 X22:220 Y25:210 S40 ; Define mesh grid ; Drives M569 P0 S0 ; Drive 0 goes backwards M569 P1 S1 ; Drive 1 goes forwards M569 P2 S0 ; Drive 2 goes backwards M569 P3 S0 ; Drive 3 goes backwards M569 P4 S0 ; Drive 4 goes backwards ; M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E4:3 ; Added for DC42 diagnostics to swap E0 and E1 M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16:16 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation M92 X80 Y80 Z1600 E2594:2630 ; Set steps per mm M566 X600 Y480 Z60 E400:400 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min) M203 X40000 Y30000 Z1200 E1200:1200 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min) M201 X2000 Y2000 Z200 E500:500 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2) M906 X1000 Y800 Z800 E400:400 I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout ; Heaters M301 H0 S1.00 P10 I0.1 D200 T0.4 W180 B30 ; Use PID on bed heater (may require further tuning) M305 P0 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0 M143 H0 S120 ; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C M305 P1 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1 M143 H1 S280 ; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C M305 P2 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 2 M143 H2 S280 ; Set temperature limit for heater 2 to 280C ; Tools M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0 G10 P0 X-9 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active (S) and standby (R) temperatures M563 P1 D1 H2 ; Define tool 1 G10 P1 X9 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 1 axis offsets G10 P1 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures ; Network M550 PDuet_I3 ; Set machine name ;M551 PPassword ; Set password M552 S1 ; Enable network ;M587 S"Network" P"Password" I192.168.0.243 J192.168.0.254 K255.255.255.0 ; Configure access point and IP addresses. You can delete this line once connected M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP M586 P1 S1 ; Enable FTP ;M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet ; Fans M106 P0 S0.0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off M106 P1 S1 I0 F500 H1:2 T45 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on M106 P2 S1 I0 F500 H1:2 T45 ; Set fan 2 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on ; Custom settings M307 H7 A-1 C-1 D-1 ; Set Heater 7 for PWM for LED driver. Use pin 16 on expansion header M42 P7 S35 ; Using heater 7 for PWM, set output at 25 / 255 (PWM value of 0 = LEDs off, 255 full on) M376 H10 ; set bed compensation taper (H10 means taper over 10mm) M207 S1.0 F3600 T3600 Z0.5 ; Set FW retraction length and speed" 1.0 retract, 60mm/s, unretract 60mm/s, 0.5mm lift. M200 D1.75 ; set all extruder filament diameters to 1.75mm G29 S1 ; Load previously set bed map ; Miscellaneous T0 ; Select first toolRichard
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I thought I'd add my bed.g file and explain another weird symptom. When homing Z, it is setting Z0 about 2mm above the print surface. My workflow to that point is (all using the IR Z-probe to home and probe and using the config.g above and bed.g below):
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disable be compensation and mesh compensation using DWC controls
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home all axes - after homing, head height displays as 2.00mm but is much more visually
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drop Z to Z=0 DWC head height - it is still about 3mm above the surface
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in effort to get it to a 'proper' Z=0, I run G92 Z10 - this to set an artificial position to allow the head to go lower
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carefully lower head 2.3mm using DWC axes movement buttons until it just grips a sheet of paper.
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run G92 Z0.2 to set the actual head height to 0.2mm to compensate for the paper thickness
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raise the head 10mm
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home all axes
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head height is once again displaying as 2.0mm but is much higher
; bed.g ; called to perform automatic bed compensation via G32 ; M561 ; clear any bed transform G28 ; home all axes ; Probe the bed at 5 points G30 P0 X10 Y20 H0 Z-99999 G30 P1 X10 Y230 H0 Z-99999 G30 P2 X210 Y230 H0 Z-99999 G30 P3 X210 Y20 H0 Z-99999 G30 P4 X110 Y120 H0 Z-99999 SI must be misunderstanding the logic and missing something here but I can't see what I'm doing wrong so any pointers gratefully received.
Richard
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Try jogging the nozzle down to paper hight send G92 Z0 raise the nozzle say 5mm send G30 S-1 and read of the resultant Z Hight in the DWC.
Then adjust the Z Offset param in the G31 line of your Config.g to match
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Thanks, Doug, I've done that - it is how I got to the offset in the G31 P500 X9 Y21 Z2.43 line of config.g I did it a few times to check, too, and it was consistent and is about as designed on my own-design carriage (designed height was 2.5mm).
I've also removed the heightmap.csv file (well, renamed it) in case it was causing issues somehow. No change.
Richard
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um strange one
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Yeah, it has me stumped!
Richard
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Not sure if I mentioned, so adding the firmware version:
Firmware Name: RepRapFirmware for Duet WiFi Firmware Electronics: Duet WiFi 1.0 Firmware Version: 1.20 (2017-12-23) WiFi Server Version: 1.20 Web Interface Version: 1.20Richard
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After you do Z homing, are you certain that if you command the printer to Z=0 the nozzle is just touching the bed? A very small number of users have reported that their IR sensors sometimes have a secondary trigger height some distance above the proper one. In such cases we have replaced the sensor.
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Thanks, David. It is perhaps easiest if I explain what I'm doing. I ran my homez.g:
;Z-Probe endstop G1 X110 Y110 G91 ; relative positioning G1 S1 Z-250 F9000 ; move quickly to Z axis endstop and stop there (first pass) G1 Z5 F6000 ; go back a few mm G1 S1 Z-250 F360 ; move slowly to Z axis endstop once more (second pass) G1 Z2 F4000 ; raise Z again G90 ; absolute positioningAfter running that, the nozzle stopped about 4.5mm from the bed but the Z-height displayed on DWC was 2.0mm. Issuing G1 Z0 dropped the nozzle to about 2.4mm above the bed but DWC height shows 0mm.
The measured heights were measured using a stack of Post-It notes and a vernier so there is a reasonably large margin of error!
I tried this with bed compensation enabled and disabled and it made no noticeable difference.
Running bed compensation immediately after this returns "Mean error: -2.591 mm" but the bed is very close to level.
Was the false detect of those IR probes about 2 to 2.5mm greater than the main trigger distance?
Richard
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OK, I think I have found the issue - somehow my homeall.g, did not have G30 in it. Not at all sure how I lost it but added it back and it seems to be working correctly.
I'm sorry for the confusion - I've been battling this for days and somehow overlooked that missing G30!
Richard
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I'm glad you solved it. Your homez.g file should also be using G30, not G1 S2 Z moves. See https://duet3d.com/wiki/Configuring_RepRapFirmware_for_a_Cartesian_printer#Homing_Z.
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Thanks, David. I've now reverted to the Z-max endstop and am using the probe for probing prior to a print. I will write up my settings etc. in a new thread as it may help someone else get this combination working (e3d Chimera, IR probe and Z-max endstop).
I really do appreciate you help - thank you!
Richard
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Interested in the settings needed to get Z max endstop with Z min [ probe ] workign correctly. my current config doesnt actually stop the Z+ movement when the endstop is triggered
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Interested in the settings needed to get Z max endstop with Z min [ probe ] workign correctly. my current config doesnt actually stop the Z+ movement when the endstop is triggered
Details of my printer and the config files are here https://www.duet3d.com/forum/thread.php?id=4306
Hope this helps.
Richard
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Interested in the settings needed to get Z max endstop with Z min [ probe ] workign correctly. my current config doesnt actually stop the Z+ movement when the endstop is triggered
Details of my printer and the config files are here https://www.duet3d.com/forum/thread.php?id=4306
Hope this helps.
Richard
Thanks Richard … Im looking at this ..
; Endstops Z-probe
M574 X1 Y2 S1 ; Set active high [ NC ] endstops
M574 Z2 S0 ; set active low [ NO ] endstops
M558 P1 H6 F300 T8000 ; Set Z probe type to unmodulated and the dive height + speeds
G31 P500 X9 Y21 Z2.2 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
M557 X10:220 Y25:220 S20 ; Define mesh gridIs it possible I need a NO normally OPEN type switch for this to work when using a probe on this axis? Mine is currently NC. I cant understand why that would be … but - ya never know ...
Also may I ask another probably dumb question ... How did you determine the X/Y offsets off the probe on your G31 code? My BL touch mounts into a Prusa MK2 extruder assmbly.... and I dont think the thingiverse creator of the add on probe mount took any time to CAD that data out ... and Im not sure how to accurately measure these offset ... Is there a tutorial or a guide somewhere _ive looked - no find ...
PS - I noted your max speeds and current settings are far greater than mine ... NEMA 17s on this printer? My Z is kinda noisy and my speeds arent all that exciting. Was hoping to get quieter and faster ... think I need 24v vs. my 12v PSU ... and to uptick the power and speeds ...
Thanks for any help you could share here
All the best,
Steve
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Yes, except:
1. You probably want something more like G1 X100 Y100 Z5 so that bed probing starts from 5mm height.
2. You should not use G92 to set the Z height after the G30. Use the G31 Z parameter instead.
So, I'm VERY new to 3d printing.
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WHY don't you wanna use G92 after G30?
The firmware needs to know the Z probe trigger height anyway for other bed probing purposes. There is no point in putting the same information in two different places, you will just confuse yourself if/when that value changes.
