Random issues first boot

dc42

Stall detection has to be configured to your motors. See https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Stall_detection_and_sensorless_homing.

Mysta

@dc42 ahh, I was thinking the one line enabled it, through rrf auto config, but that makes sense. Any ideas on zprobe?

dc42

What type of Z probe do you have? See the wili pages on connecting/ configuring a Z probe and on testing and calibrating a Z probe.

To test an extruder you need to first select a tool that uses it, then either heat that tool to operating temperature or enable cold extrusion.

Mysta

@dc42 I'm using the Smart Effector - the green light flashes twice on bootup but tapping the nozzle does not trigger the light.

T3P3Tony

@Mysta I assume you are following these instructions:

https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Smart_effector_and_carriage_adapters_for_delta_printer#Section_Commissioning

Try with a higher sensitivity to see if that does trigger the light (you will get 3 flashes on startup with a non standard sensitivity).

Mysta

@t3p3tony What's P (threshold) exactly? I found sensitivity guide here for anyone who finds this thread - was jumping between different articles and never making it this far down https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Smart_effector_and_carriage_adapters_for_delta_printer#Section_Programming_the_sensitivity

Also on my stallguard my S is 3 - is that reasonable?

Mysta

Additionally - this may be a dumb question but I saw in the sensor-less homing guide to make a separate macro and at the end it does/says:

M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S1            ; set endstops back to normal so that homedelta.g works

Does this mean you shouldn't change homedelta.g? Or is that okay once you're done testing? I imagine you want G28 to eventually be what you tested in the 'test' macro file, right? And if one tower hits first and triggers all the S is too low right?

T3P3Tony

Lets split the two issues (sensorless homing and smart effector)

First on the smart effector the P value is the trigger threshold between 0 and 1000 for an analog input. The recommendation for the smart effector is to set it to P100 because the smart effector has a microcontroller on it that handles the analog action of the effector strain for us. How much strain is required to trigger is set using :

M672 S105:aaa:bbb

Where the default sensitivity out of 255 is 50. lower numbers means more sensitive

So if the smart effector does not trigger (green LED flash) when you give it a sharp tap then try a lower sensitivity.

Mysta

@t3p3tony Yep using that second link I provided(the lower section on that page) I was able to get the probe working.

T3P3Tony

@mysta ok great! I have not used sensorless homing myself however you are correct - if you have no endstops on the towers and are using sensorless homing you will not want to set it back to S1.

Mysta

@t3p3tony Any idea on the independent motors? If the head is not centered and it homes it stops at the first motor to be triggered and the other two do as well regardless of where they are. Is that a matter of sensitivity?

T3P3Tony

@Mysta i am afraid i don't. It might be sensitivity or something else.

I migth be able to try this a delta tomorrow if i can finish a couple of urgent tasks. Otherwise @dc42 probably knows the answer!

Mysta

@t3p3tony

For what it's worth these are my motors for the towers:
https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/3d-printer/nema17-stepper-motor-3/

Noticed they have 4.2V which is slightly higher than the 4V max in the guide?

So after reading through the sensorless homing guide - does the S2(default) threshold mean 200 full steps a second?(and 3 = 300?) Trying to kinda do calculations based on this.

Mysta

@DjDemonD What motors do you use on your build?

DjDemonD

On the cylinder delta which uses sensorless homing I'm using the motors I had left over from my old I3 rework I started off 3D printing with about 3 years ago. They are 17HS8401 motors please see here http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?178,802910,803287#msg-803287 that machine uses leadscrews so its running 400 (micro)steps/mm.

Mysta

@djdemond said in Random issues first boot:

On the cylinder delta which uses sensorless homing I'm using the motors I had left over from my old I3 rework I started off 3D printing with about 3 years ago. They are 17HS8401 motors please see here http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?178,802910,803287#msg-803287 that machine uses leadscrews so its running 400 (micro)steps/mm.

Ahh then it's a little different since I use belts.

DjDemonD

Yes, If anything I'd say the lack of any real elasticity in the leadscrew driven system, with antibacklash nuts, and the carriages coming to rest against fairly hard stops, makes the stall detect work fairly well. My Z accel is just 50 and jerk 10 which was mainly to do with getting the piezo probe working within what is mechanically a noisy machine, but this does seem to help.

I haven't tried it on a belt driven delta yet, as I have endstops already on my other machines, and cannot see a good case to remove them. I will try it if I build a new machine, I just won't bother with endstops.

dc42

On the wiki page on configuring sensorless homing, I give an example of a macro file that I used to test sensorless homing on my Kossel. I suggest you start with that file. Once you have it working, you can simplify it and move the remaining commands into homedelta.g.

Mysta

@dc42 said in Random issues first boot:

On the wiki page on configuring sensorless homing, I give an example of a macro file that I used to test sensorless homing on my Kossel. I suggest you start with that file. Once you have it working, you can simplify it and move the remaining commands into homedelta.g.

Yeah That's what I was using, couldn't get consistent results. It either triggered too early(only 1 axis) or wouldn't move. I think my motors may just be not good for this case, as linked above.

Here's my first print though, 100mm/s pla.
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dc42

If it triggers too early or immediately (doesn't move), increase the stall detection threshold. That's the S parameter in the M915 command.