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    • dc42
      dc42 administrators last edited by

      With firmware 1.17 in the Release Candidate phase, I am already planning firmware 1.18. With the firmware getting so complicated, I am looking for features I can remove as well as features to add or improve. The provisional change list is:

      • Simpler heater tuning process which avoids the need to second-guess the PWM and calculates the model parameters with the print cooling fan both on and off.

      • Add feed forward term to temperature control to better maintain hot end temperature when the print cooling fan is turned on or its speed is changed. Possibly add a feed forward term to compensate for extrusion rate too - are there any Volcano users who could test this?

      • Support the Ethernet version of the Duet WiFi that is under development.

      • Add babystepping support.

      • Remove option to set bed probe points using M557 with P parameter. You can use a bed.g file instead if you are currently using them.

      • Remove temperature coefficient option from Z probe trigger height. It was added to better support ultrasonic height sensors, but I don't think anyone is still using them.

      I will consider making other small changes at the same time. Projected release date is mid to late January.

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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      • Alex9779
        Alex9779 last edited by

        My two cents to "Remove temperature coefficient option from Z probe trigger height":
        This can also be interesting for inductive sensors IMHO. And I think a lot of people use them. Though a temp relation formula or sheet is not available to the cheap Chinese probes…

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        • Zesty_Lykle
          Zesty_Lykle last edited by

          Can I ask for a backup option?
          Full zip of the system that then can be downloaded?

          Lykle
          Design, make and enjoy life

          Co Creator of the Zesty Nimble

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          • curieos
            curieos last edited by

            I've got a volcano, whats up?

            Owner of the one and only Birch MAX V3.2

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            • T3P3Tony
              T3P3Tony administrators last edited by

              Lykle - That is probably something we will ask ChrisHamm to put in the WebInterface

              Nyl0cke ??

              www.duet3d.com

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              • curieos
                curieos last edited by

                @dc42:

                • Add feed forward term to temperature control to better maintain hot end temperature when the print cooling fan is turned on or its speed is changed. Possibly add a feed forward term to compensate for extrusion rate too - are there any Volcano users who could test this?

                Owner of the one and only Birch MAX V3.2

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                • T3P3Tony
                  T3P3Tony administrators last edited by

                  ahh missed that!

                  www.duet3d.com

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                  • croadfeldt
                    croadfeldt last edited by

                    I have a volcano, 40 watt heater and high volume / pressure fan. So I can test whatever you'd like. I know I see a +/- 2-3 degree spread on my volcano at times, so would certainly appreciate that.

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                    • dc42
                      dc42 administrators last edited by

                      @croadfeldt:

                      I have a volcano, 40 watt heater and high volume / pressure fan. So I can test whatever you'd like. I know I see a +/- 2-3 degree spread on my volcano at times, so would certainly appreciate that.

                      Thanks! To start with, please heat up your hot end until the temperature is stable. Then extrude filament through the volcano nozzle at the maximum rate you are ever likely to while printing, for about 30 seconds, while monitoring the hot end temperature. Continue monitoring it after you stop extrusion. I'm interested in how much the temperature drops when you start extrusion, and overshoots when you stop, to see if it is worth adding a feedforward term.

                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                      • croadfeldt
                        croadfeldt last edited by

                        Results will be here in about 10 minutes when it's done uploading.

                        https://youtu.be/8uE4DUzVU9E

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                        • dc42
                          dc42 administrators last edited by

                          Thanks, looks like the under/overshoot is about 2C.

                          Are you using 1.75mm or 3mm filament? If it's 1.75mm, are you able to extrude at 10mm/sec or greater when using a large nozzle on the Volcano?

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                          • Adamfilip
                            Adamfilip last edited by

                            Ability to update PanelDue firmware from Webcontrol 🙂

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                            • croadfeldt
                              croadfeldt last edited by

                              1.75mm filament.

                              How large of a nozzle do you want to try? I can go from .4 up to 1.2mm.

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                              • croadfeldt
                                croadfeldt last edited by

                                Will try out the 1.2 and let you know.

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                                • dc42
                                  dc42 administrators last edited by

                                  What I am thinking is that if you print with a 1.2mm nozzle at e.g. 0.6 mm layer height and 1.5mm extrusion width, then at 100mm/sec printing speed the extrusion rate for 1.75 mm filament would be about 1.5 X 0.6 X 100 / (1.75 X 1.75 X pi / 4) which is about 37 mm/sec. Maybe you can't reach this extrusion rate, but even 50mm/sec printing speed would need nearly 20mm/sec. Melting filament at this rate may cause a significant drop in nozzle temperature, which is why adding a feed forward term may be worthwhile.

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                  • Adamfilip
                                    Adamfilip last edited by

                                    Sounds like you should have a 3mm volcano.

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                                    • croadfeldt
                                      croadfeldt last edited by

                                      We are at the limits of what the extruder can do here. 25mm/s is definitely too fast, 20mm/s still has few stepper skips. But for the purpose of this testing, we should be good. Don't mind the snapping sound, that's another issue I've brought up with E3D, I believe it's the bearings or binding in the driven gear assembly.

                                      1.2mm nozzle - 1.75mm filament - 300mm extrudes at 1500mm and 1200mm feedrates with the fan at %50 and %0.
                                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P9KXk67aPk

                                      1.2mm nozzle - 1.75mm filament - 900mm extrudes at 1200mm feedrates with the fan at %50 and %0.
                                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yADr5m_hg9M

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                                      • T3P3Tony
                                        T3P3Tony administrators last edited by

                                        Chris - Off topic: in watching these videos I saw a lot more of your YouTube channel. I find it hard to not sit and watch my printers printing, now I get to sit and watch your printer as well - live!

                                        Are you using Octoprint just for the video streaming or for control as well? if the printer on the stream running a Duet? Sorry forall the questions, just about to share this and want to be accurate.

                                        www.duet3d.com

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                                        • croadfeldt
                                          croadfeldt last edited by

                                          Hey, glad I could help feed the addiction or bring the zen as it were. 🙂

                                          I need to update my description as I've shifted away from Octoprint and now use just the Duet Web interface for all the on screen stats and job control. I do like Octoprint's G-Code preview and being able to display that, but with the recent OBS changes and inclusion of the browser plugin, I have a single browser session for DWC in OBS that I carve up into the on-screen display you see in the stream. Prior to switching though, I used Octoprint for the onscreen stats, so if you go back a few months you will see Octoprint used to control my RAMPs setup and for a while the DuetWifi.

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                                          • dc42
                                            dc42 administrators last edited by

                                            Thanks, Chris! Looks like you are getting about 8C temperature drop when you start extruding, and 8C or 6C overshoot when you stop depending on whether the fan is off or on. Definitely worth adding a feedforward term if any one wants to print at those sort f speeds with a Volcano.

                                            Your temperature indication looks rather jittery. Are you using a thermistor, thermocouple, or PT100?

                                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                            • croadfeldt
                                              croadfeldt last edited by

                                              You're welcome, I'm using a PT100. I've noticed the same thing that it jumps around a lot. The temp reading does stabilize eventually.

                                              Full disclosure - I suspect I have a 5 voltage issue on the board or my power supply though, as my screen backlight has been flashing constantly now for days. Will address that separately if needed after I find my multimeter… Anyhow, if the PT100 is driven by the same 5v rail, it might account for the jitter.

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                                              • dc42
                                                dc42 administrators last edited by

                                                The PT100 daughter board runs from the 3.3V rail.

                                                I have heard of another user seeing the PT100 readings jump around when the PT100 wires followed the extruder wires over some distance, so perhaps you have a similar interference issue in the cabling. The other possibility if you are using a 2-wire PT100 connection is that you have a connection in your PT100 circuit that isn't perfect.

                                                I use a 4-wire PT100 connection and the wires follow the extruder wiring for about 300mm and the hot end wiring for 1m. Despite this, my temperature readings are rock steady.

                                                I suggest you try monitoring the temperature readings under the following conditions:

                                                1. With the extruder motor off (send M84 E0) and the hot end off.

                                                2. With the extruder motor off and the hot end heater active.

                                                3. With the extruder motor on (e.g. after extruding, with the M906 idle current factor set to 100%) and the hot end heater off.

                                                That will tell you whether the extruder motor current and/or hot end heater current is interfering with the PT100 reading.

                                                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                                • InSanity
                                                  InSanity last edited by

                                                  Trying out this new firmware now, I still sometimes swear bed comp doesn't do what I expect it to. I'm thinking it's just caused by my Z axis motor and 2mm pitch lead screw just not having enough torque to hit any decent microsteps, more like 1/4 stepping.

                                                  Duet WiFi Powered FFCP with E3D legends hotend system. BLTouch grid leveling.

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                                                  • InSanity
                                                    InSanity last edited by

                                                    Right wrong or otherwise on my part I just had a heater fault with 1.18 trying to print some PETG. I had the first layer set to 240C without cooling and then 245 for the second layer with cooling. I got a heater fault pretty much the instant it tried to switch to layer two saying the temp wasn't rising the 0.3 deg C;/s that was expected. My logic was I wanted the print to stick on the first layer and then bond to itself on subsequent layers. Trying the same print with flat 240C which I'm sure will work.

                                                    Duet WiFi Powered FFCP with E3D legends hotend system. BLTouch grid leveling.

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                                                    • InSanity
                                                      InSanity last edited by

                                                      Sorry for the post flood, is bed comp set by default to tapper off ? Doing a test print now with a piece of tape on the lead screw so I can see any movement. The first layer it was waving around, now it's doing nothing at all running the same span.

                                                      Thanks,

                                                      Jeff

                                                      Duet WiFi Powered FFCP with E3D legends hotend system. BLTouch grid leveling.

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