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    gzcwnk
    last edited by 1 Jan 2017, 00:05

    The missing layer is different on other prints I mean. for the two 30 hour prints it was up around 160mm high. This time about 30mm.

    Suggestions on how to fault find this please?

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      Werner
      last edited by 1 Jan 2017, 00:28

      What is the amp setting for your extruder stepper? 800? You might try 1000 (1 amp)
      Good luck!

      Werner Berry
      Designer-builder, BerryBot3D Pro

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        gzcwnk
        last edited by 1 Jan 2017, 02:50

        Already at 1000mA, you think it might need another 100mA?

        Kind of strange that it occurs at what seems to be the same layer height, but its possible I suppose.

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          dc42 administrators
          last edited by 1 Jan 2017, 09:16

          @gzcwnk:

          Already at 1000mA, you think it might need another 100mA?

          Kind of strange that it occurs at what seems to be the same layer height, but its possible I suppose.

          What is the rated current of the extruder motor, and is it direct drive or geared?

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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            deckingman
            last edited by 1 Jan 2017, 10:02

            Looking at the images, it seems to continue to print OK after the "problem layer". So I'd tend to agree that it's unlike;y to be a filament jam which magically cures itself. More likely a "temperature thing" that prevent that layer from adhering to the previous layers. Does it coincide with a part cooling fan coming on? Take a look through the gcode file that Cura has generated and see if you can spot any temperature or fan commands that occur around that layer.

            Ian
            https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
            https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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              gzcwnk
              last edited by 1 Jan 2017, 10:48

              ABS so no fan.

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                gzcwnk
                last edited by 1 Jan 2017, 11:00

                The extruder stepper is a nema 17, direct drive but it isnt marked so I would guess its about 1.5 maybe 1.7amps nominal based on its frame size. In the wanhao firmware it was set to 1000mA and ran for 4 months without this symptom, so I copied it across and ran if for 150hours+ No symptom. I have swapped out the ribbon cable feeding the hot end / extruder possibly its breaking down going open circuit and the extruder is stalling? kind of odd its at what looks like the same layer. Temps looked ok at 240C, I will try a full test tomorrow with the new ribbon cable. Otherwise I am really stumped.

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                  deckingman
                  last edited by 1 Jan 2017, 16:46

                  @gzcwnk:

                  ABS so no fan.

                  Appreciated. But if it always happens at the same layer and continues on OK after that layer, it would indicate something amiss at that particular point in the print which is why I suggested you check the gcode file just in case Cura has inserted a fan command (even though you may not want a fan command) or a tool change or anything else that could drop the hot end temperature or otherwise screw things up. A bad connection, faulty motor, or anything similar would tend to behave in a more "random" manner (although stranger things have been known to happen).

                  Ian
                  https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                  https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                    Dougal1957
                    last edited by 1 Jan 2017, 18:40

                    I have seen this issue before and it turned out to be an issue with the original STL File don't really know the ins and out it was a friend of mine and may even have been a specific slicer/FW issue he was using Ramps IIRC and may have been Cura or Slicr at that time and some of the Preview software you can use picked up that the slicr missed a layer totally don't think we ever got to the bottom of why tho

                    Doug

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                      gzcwnk
                      last edited by 1 Jan 2017, 19:34

                      I thought of that and I re-stl'd it.

                      It has happened on more than one part though and only since I swapped in the duet wifi. So this suggests to me a hardware issue. Being intermittent its going to be a piggy to find 😞

                      I will go googling see if there is a gcode viewer tool? I can look with.

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                        gzcwnk
                        last edited by 1 Jan 2017, 20:59

                        Ive upgraded to cura 2.x from 1.6, doing a test print. Loading the g-code I can see lines in it, I assumed it is / was a video artifact as my graphics card is so old and never was an issue pre duet…. So I might try this on my son's decent PC.

                        I hopefully have the original gcode for the original part, I'll upload that as well if the above fails. That was a prefect print in fact I did 4 of them all perfect, if 1.5mm too high. If that fails I think i will try a different ABS as 3 of the 4 were Wanhao, 1 noname. Failing that I'll assume a hardware issue. but just what will be the Q. My only idea is a bad joint in the cabling to the stepper, so I will replace that entirely, leaving the stepper, wire and duet as the three components. Oh, hmm also the PSU.....I should make sure its hasnt started to volateg fluctuate or something, given its usual wanhao quality. 😕

                        Sorry if I am rambling...trying to figure this yet another intermittent fault......I must have a Friday 13th machine or something....

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                          gzcwnk
                          last edited by 2 Jan 2017, 02:07

                          still doing it 😞

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                            gzcwnk
                            last edited by 2 Jan 2017, 18:45

                            rhand part done in October so original g-code, lh part tried just now same g-code, I think its severe under-extrusion? the Q is why and why periodically? odd…

                            https://postimg.org/image/qlzwvps6h/3ac3f196/

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                              StephenRC
                              last edited by 2 Jan 2017, 19:48

                              Check the filament on the spool. I had a periodic under-extrusion due to the filament was jamming up on the spool at random times due to a crappy wind.

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                                gzcwnk
                                last edited by 2 Jan 2017, 20:00

                                I am watching it do it before my eyes…but I dont see why, its like its dropping too much on Z.

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                                  gzcwnk
                                  last edited by 2 Jan 2017, 20:30

                                  I have just checked the Z drive, looks Ok. I have a I60 which is called the "idle" is that the % of the movement mA used to hold the Z axis in place? I have up'd Z to 1000mA and I80 to see if that fixes it.

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                                    dc42 administrators
                                    last edited by 2 Jan 2017, 22:17

                                    The idle current factor only comes into play when no motor has moves for 30 seconds.

                                    Is there any sign of the extruder skipping steps?

                                    Do other prints show the same effect at the same height? Could the Z axis be binding at that point?

                                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                      gzcwnk
                                      last edited by 2 Jan 2017, 22:48

                                      What would be the sign of the Z skipping steps? nozzle digging in? noone of that. Its almost like its dropping too far. I had a good look at the Z axis and ran it by hand. What I did notice was I could fairly easily over-power the stepper. I also ran it up and down by hand, I could feel no binding at all. At the moment its on 1000mA up from 800mA and looks OK so far so maybe I had it set right on the edge ie too low. Not sure yet, I am sitting here in front of a 4 hour print watching it, it hasnt missed yet I can see….I will keep watching, rather boring, LOL.

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                                        gzcwnk
                                        last edited by 3 Jan 2017, 06:10

                                        So I just completed The old "October" gcode after uping the Z current to 1000mA from 800mA, I wackd it with a hammer pretty hard and its didnt separate so it seems a good print. Doing a "new" gcode print and it looks OK so far. Anyway I also talked to the D6 group and one person replaced the Z axis as he was having issues and on stripping the ball found the ball bearings worn out. So I am guessing that I have a worn ball as I noticed that the Z axis seemed a lot easier to turn than I remember, so a part to replace soon I guess. 😕

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                                          gzcwnk
                                          last edited by 3 Jan 2017, 06:13

                                          thanks for your help anyway!

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