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    Grudairian
    last edited by 14 Nov 2019, 04:39

    Here is my configuration for the bltouch
    ; Z-Probe
    M574 Z1 S2 ; Set endstops controlled by probe
    M307 H3 A-1 C-1 D-1 ; Disable heater on PWM channel for BLTouch
    M558 P9 F100 H5 T6000 R0.2 A5 B1 ; Set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
    M280 P3 S140 I1 ; Enable 5v logic for BLTouch
    G31 P25 X-22.00 Y-16.00 Z0.29 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
    M557 X20:180 Y20:180 S15 ; Define mesh grid

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      Grudairian
      last edited by Grudairian 14 Nov 2019, 07:10

      Sorry it took so long to get this next height map done, I got distracted with attempting to align my leadscrews and seeing if that helped. Based on this walkthrough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9vI6DqAcmo. Unfortunately it didn't seem to make much of a difference, but I feel better about my rods now.

      So here is a second height map collected without the glass on the bed. I liked the idea of flipping the plate, but there is an adhesive layer, with it's backing sticker on it that has lots of wrinkles so I opted just to go with the bare plate. https://ibb.co/Rz9tNMk

      The ripple is still there, and I'm not really sure why. I have a second bltouch, I may end up switching them out, but it seems pretty consistent with the spacing on the ridge, so I'm not sure that it will help.

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        Phaedrux Moderator
        last edited by 14 Nov 2019, 07:24

        Is there something in your x axis Making it bump?

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          Grudairian
          last edited by 14 Nov 2019, 07:39

          I can't find anything making contact or interfering. Funny thing is I also tried changing the probing density and I saw the same ripples with M557 X20:180 Y20:180 S50 I forgot to take a screenshot of it. but it does one row normal, then one row crests. I'll look into it more tomorrow. But this one baffles me. I think I can still print around it, but now I am curious.

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            dc42 administrators
            last edited by 14 Nov 2019, 08:37

            The clue is that when bed probing, RRF moves the head in the +X and -X directions on alternate rows. So your height map shows that the nozzle height depends on whether the last move was in the +X or -X direction. Your X carriage probably tilts a little depending on which direction the belt last pulled it.

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              Grudairian
              last edited by 14 Nov 2019, 16:19

              @dc42 I think you've nailed it. While the linear rods are secure, the gantry is stable and the bearings seem to be snug, there is a bit of tilt play in the carriage. I will print a new carriage, thanks for your help, I would have been running circles around that problem for a long time.

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                droftarts administrators @Grudairian
                last edited by 14 Nov 2019, 16:24

                @Grudairian said in Strange Ripples in the Heatmap:

                G31 P25 X-22.00 Y-16.00 Z0.29 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height

                I guess this is particularly noticeable with the probe offset in Y. Can you mount it in line with the nozzle, so no Y offset?

                Ian

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                  Grudairian
                  last edited by 14 Nov 2019, 17:34

                  @droftarts My previous carriage had it mounted in line with the nozzle(~ x:0 y55). I can definitely modify the old mount to fit on this new carriage. I switched carriages because I was having jamming problems due to airflow issues on the old carriage, so I wanted to move to the official e3d cooling solution for the heatsink. Thanks for the idea, moving the blTouch mount will be a lot easier than rebuilding the whole assembly. If the nozzle (centerpoint of the carriage) stays stable enough with the switched probe position, you will have saved me a lot of time and work.

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                    Grudairian
                    last edited by 14 Nov 2019, 23:35

                    I moved my bltouch to be in line with my nozzle on the x-axis, though it is a little farther away; x:0 y:-65. The heightmap is a lot cleaner.

                    https://ibb.co/L93XHV8

                    I think there is still a tiny bit of deviation, but I think it's within 0.01mm. For now, I think I should be able to print with this, but when I get a chance I'll replace the carriage. I'm glad I don't have to rush to replace it immediately though.Thanks for your help everyone.

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                      jens55
                      last edited by 14 Nov 2019, 23:55

                      That is amazingly flat ! I will have to examine my setup for possible tilt with travel direction change during probing.
                      I use the Orion piezo sensor so my sensing happens right at the nozzle but I use a CR10 3 V roller carriage and the pizo sensor requires a sort of loose nozzle. There are a number of possible sources of oddities.
                      I have a second CR10 printer that uses a BlTouch and I have always seen these ripples but could never track them down. This gives me a whole new dimension to check out so thanks for bringing up the issue and thanks DC42!

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