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    • gabi68undefined
      gabi68
      last edited by gabi68

      Hi,

      I have the notorius error heater 1 fault. I g=have a PT100 and when I power the duet the leds are on and the interface reports Heater1 fault. If I put the provided resistor between pin 2 and 3 on the PT100 leds go off and temperature is 0C (as is should) meaning all is working. Still that fault after disconnecting the resistor.

      config duet sd card.g

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      • droftartsundefined
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        @gabi68 Sounds more like a wiring issue, or a failed PT100. If you have a multimeter you can check the resistance on the wires; use this table to check the resistance of the PT100 at different temperatures: https://www.sterlingsensors.co.uk/pt100-resistance-table

        PT100 will be more reliable if you wire it 4-wire, too; see https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com/2016/06/25/more-delta-printer-upgrades-wifi-and-silence/

        When using a 2-wire PT100 sensor, any additional resistance in the wires and connections between the sensor and the electronics will cause an increase in the reading, by about 1°C per 0.4 ohm. This inaccuracy can be avoided by using a 4-wire connection. So I chose the 4-wire configuration for greatest accuracy. However, as long as you are careful to make good connections, the sensor will work just fine in 2-wire mode and you can save some wiring.

        Wiring a 2-wire PT100 as 4-wire is further down the page. Also see this post re loose connections at the cartridge, and avoiding running wires near high current wires: https://forum.duet3d.com/post/35691

        Ian

        Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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        • gabi68undefined
          gabi68
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          Tryed that still nothing. Connections are as follows:
          Smart efector side Duet side
          Pin 1 Unconnected
          Pin 2 Pin 2 PT100
          Pin 3 Pin 3 PT100
          Pin 4 Unconnected

          Input 2
          H+ to E0 VIN
          H- to E0-

          config.g
          ; Heaters
          M305 P0 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
          M143 H0 S120 ; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
          M305 P1 X200 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
          M143 H1 S280 ; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C

          The z probe flash twice at startup and reacts on every tap.
          Led and fan working properly.
          Having the prvided resistor between pin 2 and 3 on the PT100 report 0 C
          Still heater 1 fault.
          Before order a thermistor (bed is working like that very accurate), what else should I do?

          Thank you
          Gabi

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          • jay_s_ukundefined
            jay_s_uk
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            Do you have the jumper fitted for 2 wire PT100 on the smart effector?
            Have you tried connecting the PT100 directly to the daughter board?

            Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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            • gabi68undefined
              gabi68 @jay_s_uk
              last edited by gabi68

              @jay_s_uk
              The jumpers are in place. PT100 is inseterd and plastic prong is in place. Anything else, please?

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              • jay_s_ukundefined
                jay_s_uk
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                I would suggest checking the PT100 with a multimeter to make sure the resistance reading is correct.
                I would also use a multimeter to check your point to point wiring to make sure there are no breakages in the cable or poorly made crimps.

                Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                • droftartsundefined
                  droftarts administrators @gabi68
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                  @gabi68 Would have been good to mention you were using a Smart Effector! Have you actually measured the resistance of the PT100? You need to check at each connector. I don't see how this is a config/Duet issue, as you get 0ºC with the resistor.

                  Ian

                  Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                  • gabi68undefined
                    gabi68 @droftarts
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                    @droftarts
                    I just checkit. The resistance is under 1 ohm and the continuty is there for all cables. According to the PT100 resistance table I should see values between 107 and 111 ohm.
                    I agree is not a duet issue, but this (PT100) is sold like an addon for duet. Any advice, please?

                    Gabi

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                    • droftartsundefined
                      droftarts administrators @gabi68
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                      @gabi68 Contact the seller and ask for a warranty replacement, as the PT100 seems to be faulty. I'd connect the 100ohm resistor to the pins on the SmartEffector, which should check continuity and for any extra resistance/short in the wiring.

                      Ian

                      Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                      • gabi68undefined
                        gabi68 @droftarts
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                        @droftarts
                        There is any way to check if the PT 100 is fried?
                        Do you know it will be better to order a thermocouple board with associate thermocuple?

                        Gabi

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                        • Vetiundefined
                          Veti @gabi68
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                          @gabi68 said in Heater 1 fault:

                          There is any way to check if the PT 100 is fried?

                          it it is 1 ohm there is a short somewhere inside, so its fried.

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                          • dc42undefined
                            dc42 administrators
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                            If the resistance really is 1 ohm, it's probably a thermocouple, not a PT100.

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                            • gabi68undefined
                              gabi68 @dc42
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                              @dc42 How can I check if is a thermocouple?

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                              • dc42undefined
                                dc42 administrators @gabi68
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                                @gabi68 said in Heater 1 fault:

                                @dc42 How can I check if is a thermocouple?

                                What colour are the wires coming out of it? I believe E3D uses different coloured wires for thermistor, PT100 and thermocouple cartridges.

                                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                • gabi68undefined
                                  gabi68 @dc42
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                                  @dc42 Red

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                                  • droftartsundefined
                                    droftarts administrators @gabi68
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                                    @gabi68 said in Heater 1 fault:

                                    @dc42 Red

                                    Looks like E3D PT100 is red https://e3d-online.com/pt100-temperature-sensor
                                    Thermocouples usually have a braided cover https://e3d-online.com/type-k-thermocouple-cartridge
                                    Thermistors are blue https://e3d-online.com/thermistor-cartridge

                                    So probably still just a failed PT100.

                                    Ian

                                    Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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