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    • DocTruckerundefined
      DocTrucker @droftarts
      last edited by DocTrucker

      @droftarts said in Duet Maestro Bed heating uncontrolled:

      ... Or would you need to heat the bed to 200C first, as it's a massive heatsink?

      The best (/only) way I have found so far is the smallest ring on my gas hob on low and a gas soldering iron. Perhaps not brilliant but so far not warped them and soldered on silicone insulated 14AWG wire.

      That said if the hotbed has had anything else on it the fumes could be nasty.

      Running 3 P3Steel with Duet 2. Duet 3 on the shelf looking for a suitable machine. One first generation Duet in a Logo/Turtle style robot!

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      • NTX9undefined
        NTX9
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        So bypassing the on board mosfet has proven to be more of a soldering challenge than I anticipated. My feeble skill has basically rendered surface solder pad for the mosfet gate unusable.

        Is it possible to edit the firmware to use E1 to control an external mosfet? Or is there a pin on the expansion header that I can connect to that is upstream from the bed mosfet?

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        • Phaedruxundefined
          Phaedrux Moderator @NTX9
          last edited by Phaedrux

          @NTX9 said in Duet Maestro Bed heating uncontrolled:

          Is it possible to edit the firmware to use E1 to control an external mosfet?

          Should be able to configure that. What firmware version are you running? If you're using RRF3 you can define a different pin.

          https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M307_Set_or_report_heating_process_parameters

          If you're using RRF2 check out M140 H1 https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M140_Set_Bed_Temperature_Fast

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          • A Former User?
            A Former User
            last edited by A Former User

            No header, but if you cannot use @Phaedrux suggestion you could attempt soldering to the gate resistor instead.

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            If you can preheat the whole board it will ease the soldering job. Pretty much any means that will get you closer to the general reccomendation will work, although I'd avoid direct flame, sand in a skillet on a gas hob is a better alternative to direct flame. Hairdryer, a printers heat bed or whatever you have.

            Target topside temperatures should fall between 95 and 105°C across the assembly and reach that point no faster than 1 to 5°C per second.

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            • NTX9undefined
              NTX9 @A Former User
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              @bearer

              OK so now I am really confused.

              I am seeing 24 volts at R65, D6 and D5 immediately on powering the board.

              Now I am not even sure if the mosfet was damaged or if something is going on upstream.

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              • A Former User?
                A Former User
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                @NTX9 said in Duet Maestro Bed heating uncontrolled:

                I am seeing 24 volts at R65, D6 and D5 immediately on powering the board.

                if you look at the schematic and realize V_BED is 24v then it might make more sense?

                in any case the gate resistor is R20 as highlighted on the pcb screenshot, if you want to go digging you'll find all the files on github
                https://github.com/T3P3/Duet/tree/master/Duet2/Duet2v1.04

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                • NTX9undefined
                  NTX9 @A Former User
                  last edited by

                  @bearer

                  The voltage is showing up even when the bed temp is set to zero?

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                  • A Former User?
                    A Former User @NTX9
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                    @NTX9 said in Duet Maestro Bed heating uncontrolled:

                    @bearer

                    The voltage is showing up even when the bed temp is set to zero?

                    V_BED doesn't change unless you pull the fuse, with no current flowing there will be no voltage drop and all voltages will for those parts will be Vin essentially; but its irrelevant to using the gate signal from R20.

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                    • NTX9undefined
                      NTX9 @A Former User
                      last edited by

                      @bearer said in Duet Maestro Bed heating uncontrolled:

                      in any case the gate resistor is R20 as highlighted on the pcb screenshot, if you want to go digging you'll find all the files on github
                      https://github.com/T3P3/Duet/tree/master/Duet2/Duet2v1.04

                      Thanks !

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                      • NTX9undefined
                        NTX9 @A Former User
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                        @bearer said in Duet Maestro Bed heating uncontrolled:

                        @NTX9 said in Duet Maestro Bed heating uncontrolled:

                        @bearer

                        The voltage is showing up even when the bed temp is set to zero?

                        V_BED doesn't change unless you pull the fuse, with no current flowing there will be no voltage drop and all voltages will for those parts will be Vin essentially; but its irrelevant to using the gate signal from R20.

                        Thanks again, now I see that the bed PWM feeds through R20 to the mosfet gate. I am a little slow but starting to get how this thing works.

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                        • NTX9undefined
                          NTX9 @Phaedrux
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                          @Phaedrux said in Duet Maestro Bed heating uncontrolled:

                          @NTX9 said in Duet Maestro Bed heating uncontrolled:

                          Is it possible to edit the firmware to use E1 to control an external mosfet?

                          Should be able to configure that. What firmware version are you running? If you're using RRF3 you can define a different pin.

                          https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M307_Set_or_report_heating_process_parameters

                          If you're using RRF2 check out M140 H1 https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M140_Set_Bed_Temperature_Fast

                          This seems like my least painful option. I am on firmware 2.03.

                          Thanks It may be a few days but I will get back once I have time to try this.

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                          • Phaedruxundefined
                            Phaedrux Moderator @NTX9
                            last edited by

                            @NTX9 I said M140 H1, but the H# will depend on where you have the extruder. May be H2 for you.

                            May be a good idea to update to 2.05.1 as well for all the bug fixes etc.

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                            • NTX9undefined
                              NTX9 @Phaedrux
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                              @Phaedrux said in Duet Maestro Bed heating uncontrolled:

                              @NTX9 I said M140 H1, but the H# will depend on where you have the extruder. May be H2 for you.

                              May be a good idea to update to 2.05.1 as well for all the bug fixes etc.

                              My E1 heater port is open on the board. Is that H1 in the firmware?

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                              • Phaedruxundefined
                                Phaedrux Moderator
                                last edited by

                                No, in RRF2 H0 is the bed heater port, H1 is the E0 heater port, and H2 is the E1 heater port.

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                                • NTX9undefined
                                  NTX9 @Phaedrux
                                  last edited by

                                  @Phaedrux said in Duet Maestro Bed heating uncontrolled:

                                  No, in RRF2 H0 is the bed heater port, H1 is the E0 heater port, and H2 is the E1 heater port.

                                  Ha I am glad I asked...

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