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    Phaedrux Moderator
    last edited by 26 Apr 2020, 03:07

    I see. Well there is the manual way. You could move the carriage into position and then set the position with g92.

    But as I said before what settings do you currently have and what happens?

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      dc42 administrators @DomMilan
      last edited by dc42 26 Apr 2020, 10:58

      @DomMilan said in Tevo Little Monster delta endstopless homing:

      So after the changes and DC42s recommendation I am back where I started... I really don't know what to do. I am running the same setup and an Ender 3 and it works perfectly and I cant even get this this thing to home.

      What speed are you now using in the G1 homing move in your homedelta.g file? Previously, you had it set too low. Revert to using H400 in your M915 commands, and try a homing speed of 4000 mm/min as in my example file.

      Note, stall homing by itself isn't accurate enough to home a delta, but if you have a Z probe then one or two auto calibration cycles after homing will fix the accuracy.

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        DomMilan @Phaedrux
        last edited by DomMilan 26 Apr 2020, 16:35

        @Phaedrux

        My config

        ; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 2.03)
        ; executed by the firmware on start-up
        ;
        ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2.1.8 on Sat Apr 25 2020 21:37:52 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

        ; General preferences
        G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
        M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
        M550 P"The Fortune Teller" ; set printer name
        M665 R155 L397.19 B155 H520 ; Set delta radius, diagonal rod length, printable radius and homed height
        M666 X0 Y0 Z0 ; put your endstop adjustments here, or let auto calibration find them

        ; Network
        M551 P"Turnip123!" ; set password
        M552 S1 ; enable network
        M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
        M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
        M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet

        ; Drives
        M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
        M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
        M569 P2 S1 ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
        M569 P3 S1 ; physical drive 3 goes forwards
        M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3 ; set drive mapping
        M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
        M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z80.00 E403.00 ; set steps per mm
        M566 X1200.00 Y1200.00 Z1200.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
        M203 X18000.00 Y18000.00 Z18000.00 E9000.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
        M201 X5000.00 Y5000.00 Z5000.00 E1000.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
        M906 X1000 Y1000 Z1000 E800 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
        M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

        ; Axis Limits
        M208 Z0 S1 ; set minimum Z

        ; Endstops
        M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S3 ; set endstops controlled by motor stall detection

        ; Z-Probe
        M307 H3 A-1 C-1 D-1 ; disable heater on PWM channel for BLTouch
        M558 P9 H5 F120 T7200 ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
        G31 P500 X0 Y20 Z1.3 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
        M557 R150 S45 ; define mesh grid

        ; Heaters
        M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
        M305 P0 T100000 B4138 R4700 ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
        M143 H0 S120 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
        M305 P1 T100000 B4138 R4700 ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
        M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C

        ; Fans
        M106 P0 S0 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
        M106 P1 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on

        ; Tools
        M563 P0 S"Extruder" D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
        G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
        G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

        ; Custom settings
        M591 D0 C3 P2 E6.0

        My homedelta

        ; homedelta.g
        ; called to home all towers on a delta printer
        ;
        ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2.1.8 on Sat Apr 25 2020 21:37:52 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
        M400 ; make sure everything has stopped before we make changes
        M915 P0:1:2 S2 F1 H400 R0
        M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S3 ; set endstops to use motor stall
        M913 X55 Y55 Z55 ; reduce motor current to 50% to prevent belts slipping
        G91 ; relative positioning
        G1 H1 X705 Y705 Z705 F4000 ; move all towers to the high end stopping at the endstops (first pass)
        G1 H2 X-5 Y-5 Z-5 F7200 ; go down a few mm
        G1 H1 X10 Y10 Z10 F360 ; move all towers up once more (second pass)
        G1 Z-5 F7200 ; move down a few mm so that the nozzle can be centred
        G90 ; absolute positioning
        G1 X0 Y0 F7200 ; move X+Y to the centre
        M400 ; make sure everything has stopped before we reset the motor currents
        M913 X100 Y100 Z100 ; motor currents back to normal
        G1 X0 Y0 F2000 ; centre the head and set a reasonable feed rate

        What currently happens with this specific homedelta.g is the effector rams itself into the endstop position and returns two errors, target position not reachable from current position and insufficient axis homed.

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          Phaedrux Moderator @DomMilan
          last edited by 26 Apr 2020, 19:40

          @DomMilan said in Tevo Little Monster delta endstopless homing:

          M400 ; make sure everything has stopped before we make changes
          M915 P0:1:2 S2 F1 H400 R0
          M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S3 ; set endstops to use motor stall
          M913 X55 Y55 Z55 ; reduce motor current to 50% to prevent belts slipping
          G91 ; relative positioning
          G1 H1 X705 Y705 Z705 F4000 ; move all towers to the high end stopping at the endstops (first pass)
          G1 H2 X-5 Y-5 Z-5 F7200 ; go down a few mm
          G1 H1 X10 Y10 Z10 F360 ; move all towers up once more (second pass)
          G1 Z-5 F7200 ; move down a few mm so that the nozzle can be centred
          G90 ; absolute positioning
          G1 X0 Y0 F7200 ; move X+Y to the centre
          M400 ; make sure everything has stopped before we reset the motor currents
          M913 X100 Y100 Z100 ; motor currents back to normal
          G1 X0 Y0 F2000 ; centre the head and set a reasonable feed rate

          Try this instead

          M400 ; make sure everything has stopped before we make changes
          M915 P0:1:2 S2 F0 H200 R0
          M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S3 ; set endstops to use motor stall
          M913 X55 Y55 Z55 ; reduce motor current to 50% to prevent belts slipping
          G91 ; relative positioning
          G1 H1 X705 Y705 Z705 F4000 ; move all towers to the high end stopping at the endstops (first pass)
          G1 X-50 Y-50 Z-50 F7200 ; go down a few mm
          G90 ; absolute positioning
          G1 X0 Y0 F7200 ; move X+Y to the centre
          M400 ; make sure everything has stopped before we reset the motor currents
          M913 X100 Y100 Z100 ; motor currents back to normal

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            DomMilan
            last edited by 26 Apr 2020, 20:20

            Okay this one was odd.

            Y and Z jumped down a good 50mm but then raised up about half that distance but is now lowering every time I run G28.

            X just lowers to the same height that Y and Z end in one motion.

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              Phaedrux Moderator
              last edited by 26 Apr 2020, 20:22

              I may have removed too much from your original. I'm not very familiar with the delta homing.

              try removing G1 X0 Y0 F7200 ; move X+Y to the centre

              That should home all towers once and then move down 50mm and stop. What you do with it after that is up to you.

              The important thing is that it sounds like it homed correctly.

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                DomMilan
                last edited by 26 Apr 2020, 21:04

                Now it homes one axis every time I G28 but a different axis every time with a net downward movement still.

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                  Phaedrux Moderator
                  last edited by 26 Apr 2020, 21:15

                  Two things. First, I may have made an error by removing the H2 from the G1 command to lower the heads a bit. Second, we may be experiencing a limitation of RRF2 and stall detection homing.

                  https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M574_RepRapFirmware_Num_3

                  Ok I think we've encountered the limitation of RRF2 and stall detection. As soon as one endstop is triggered, movement stops for all axis.

                  You would need to use RRF3 to use multiple motor stall detection (M574 S4). See the link.

                  Snnn 1 = switch-type (eg microswitch) endstop input, 2 = Z probe (when used to home an axis other than Z), 3 = single motor load detection, 4 = multiple motor load detection (see Notes).

                  However, updating to RRF3 would take some effort on it's own since the config.g would need to be recreated with the web configurator or manually updated.

                  If you're not up to that, I think we could get around this limitation by homing each axis with an individual move. This gets a little tricky with a delta though because of the way the axis are linked. But if they started in a semi safe spot you should be able to home each tower individually.

                  So first, try this.

                  M400 ; make sure everything has stopped before we make changes
                  M915 P0:1:2 S2 F0 H200 R0
                  M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S3 ; set endstops to use motor stall
                  M913 X55 Y55 Z55 ; reduce motor current to 50% to prevent belts slipping
                  G91 ; relative positioning
                  G1 H1 X705 Y705 Z705 F4000 ; move all towers to the high end stopping at the endstops (first pass)
                  G1 H2 X-50 Y-50 Z-50 F7200 ; go down a few mm
                  G90 ; absolute positioning
                  G1 X0 Y0 F7200 ; move X+Y to the centre
                  M400 ; make sure everything has stopped before we reset the motor currents
                  M913 X100 Y100 Z100 ; motor currents back to normal

                  If that doesn't work, try this

                  M400 ; make sure everything has stopped before we make changes
                  M915 P0:1:2 S2 F0 H200 R0
                  M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S3 ; set endstops to use motor stall
                  M913 X55 Y55 Z55 ; reduce motor current to 50% to prevent belts slipping
                  G91 ; relative positioning
                  G1 H1 X705 F4000 ; move X tower
                  G1 H1 Y705 F4000 ; move Y tower
                  G1 H1 Z705 F4000 ; move Z tower
                  G1 H2 X-50 Y-50 Z-50 F7200 ; go down a few mm
                  G90 ; absolute positioning
                  M400 ; make sure everything has stopped before we reset the motor currents
                  M913 X100 Y100 Z100 ; motor currents back to normal

                  Also before running those try and get the carriages to be more or less even.

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                    DomMilan @Phaedrux
                    last edited by 26 Apr 2020, 23:16

                    @Phaedrux Thank you for all your help on this. I bought the endstop and its coming in a few days so no need to waste both our time on this. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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                      Phaedrux Moderator
                      last edited by 26 Apr 2020, 23:18

                      Awww I was eager to see if that last one would work.

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